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Oct 23, 2009 -- 1:53PM, Crow3333 wrote:

One sec while I get my dead horse beating stick out......

 

Okay cool. I would like to FINALLY get a simple Kengo/Swordmaster class, that uses technique as opposed to brawn or trickery to slay his opponents.

(perhaps Str/Int so theres finally a smart striker)

And this can't be any of the extant martial classes because ... ?

Oct 23, 2009 -- 4:17PM, Undrave wrote:

Wether a build, a class or a even a MC style feat I want someone that gains some sort of advantage from using versatile weapon and switching from one hand to two hands.

Swordmage.   Hold the sword one-handed for +3 AC from Warding, free action to swing it two-handed for bonus damage, free action to let go with one hand to go back to full Warding.

I have to totally agree with this:

"Illusionist/Beguiler (Shadow Controller): A sort of shadow illusionist, with a focus on trickery, enchantment, and illusion. May have a number of roguish skills at his disposal.

Witch/Medium (Shadow Leader): A leader with a secondary controller focus, with curses that debilitate and transform enemies and charms that aid allies."

I am very frustrated with the inability to create a non-damaging character.

Witch/Medium: Leader/Controller - Unlike the warlock who is a striker, the witch should be an ANTI Striker. A player class who can curse enemies, bless allies, and do VERY FEW spells that cause damage. With a combination of healing, enchantments, hold, blind, control and summon creatures or spirits. She should be a cross between a cleric, a druid and a sorcerer - with covens, rituals, book of shadows and control of animals, spirits and ability to have multiple familiars (every 10 levels each on stronger than the last based on their pact). I would even say the Witches set of Rituals should be far more lengthy than their list of Powers

Black Witch: Pact of Destruction

Brown Witch: Pact of Nature (easily confused with Druids)

Gray Witch: Pact of Truth - Hunt and provide atonement for other Witches

White Witch: Pact of Healing

---- I would totally create this class out and submit it if Wizards want me to.

Illusionist: A shadow illusionist who focuses on trickery, enchantment and illusion. Confusing the enemy - and who is not required to be a GNOME. With both Feats and Powers to enhance those abilities. Being able to create illusions OF MY CHOOSING - which I could give up a Standard Action to Sustain - would be perfect.

Enchantress: A REAL Controller - who can charm the enemies to do her bidding (save ends), dominate, trick, seduce, control - a character who makes others do the work for her and hides behind the others empowering them for being controlled by the enchantress.

Monk: A real Striker Monk - not the one that is currently created. Expanding the powers of the monk per level so Shouhlin and other martial art styles can be created - setting powers at upper levels with some pre-reqs from lower levels so monks can follow a disciple. Both hard and soft styles from Judo, Karate, Kick Boxing, and Aikido can be created.

Ninja: Add a Shadow Rogue build to Rogue that would give that build Utility powers that gives shadow magic and invisibility.

Samurai: Add a Master Swordsman build to Fighter that would give the build speed strikes and focused strikes with a given weapon losing preficiency with all other weapons. Similar to a Guardian but with some charge, moveby strikes and special utility moves worthy of legendary high speed movement. For example, at upper levels a charge attack so fast they turn invisibile during the charge such that no AoO is possible or performing wall runs as part of the charge.

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The other thing I would say to wizards is the biggest problem that my players have with 4E - and that is of CHOICE and REWARD per level.

Each time a player finally gets to select a new power, feat or treasure - they need more freedom of choice. While choice was one of the problems 3.5 had in that they tried to merge all classes into a class like the wizard - thus making it the ultimate swiss army knife that created some imbalance. However, I think that was because there was little pre-req assigned to spells/powers in 3.5 - thus you could take a higher level domination spell without ever having to learn a lower level charm of any type.

I think WotC's first focus should be to re-release a new players handbook that gives more CHOICES to all the existing classes. Look at common builds and requests so that every level of every class has at several choices and "cool" effects - rather than everything doing 1[W]. AKA rather than creating more NEW stuff - take some time to refine the existing stuff.

I think feats need expanded and some unrestricted - there are too many feats that require specific re-reqs and while pre-reqs are okay/required some times - a race or class should have a similar set of choices as those that are restricted. In building an illusionist that is a changling, there were lots of GNOME feats along those lines but nothing similar for Changlings. The problem with feats is that you go several levels to finally get one - and when you do get it - it doesnt give the player that "YAH" feeling they got in older systems but rather oh boy - another +1 or whatever.

In general, they need to focus more on bringing back that feeling of "WOW" and "Empowerment" when players level and get new treasure that made this game so great in the past. As it is now, leveling is not that exciting in many cases (there are some that are there) and rewards arent "fantastic" or "wonderous" as they used to feel.

Now dont get me wrong 4E has alot of things to offer in its mechanics that are an improvement over 3.5 and previous systems - but there is almost too much control exacted over the players that removed alot of the imagination and freedom that used to be there. I think a focus has shifted to hard to the side of mechanics over creativity of player that it used to have where players were less restricted in what they could create and empowered level to level.