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Oct 22, 2009 -- 5:53PM, n647 wrote:

That player defined it`s character upon creation, is like defining, my char is 4 feets tall, now in game he want toreach over the fridge,the player looks at his CHARACTER heigh ("Ah, I'm 4 feet tall, I can't do that ...").

that is called roleplaying, defining a character and then playing it as defined, the idea when you define a character alignment orpersonality is to roleplay it, so notdoing an action because the character asdefinedwould notdoit, is called GOOD ROLEPLAYING, contrary to bad roleplaying where you define a character as "good" and who does ntolike to kill, killing and attacking everithing in front of him without asking why or having a very good reason.

Except for the simple fact that no personality fits fully in one alignment, or even two.  You could have a good man who has many flaws, including for example, the tendency to hurt or even maim and kill people who who thinks(proven or imagined) are a threat to his family.  Maiming and killing people for imagined threats would not be part of any good alignment, but the man could be good in most other respects. 

If you allow a single alignment to "define" a character, you are 1) playing someone with an absurd personality, and 2) placing yourself into a straight jacket, because you will then not play proper personality traits that fall outside of that alignment.

yesa character can take an action contrary to it`s alignment but ussually will have a good reason for it.

Yeah, a good reason such as it being a normal part of his personality, like MANY other actions that will be contrary to his "alignment".

also by your definition race is also a straightjacket, hell I m a halfing, can not reach!

Nope.  Nice Strawman.  YOU'RE the one who argued that race was a straightjacket, not him.

Oct 23, 2009 -- 7:00AM, mouthymerc wrote:

Oct 22, 2009 -- 8:48PM, Calanar wrote:

Yes and I have also seen this I-do-what-fits-my-personality talk used to justify the most insane set of contradictory behavior simple because the player wants to burn the town down one minute because he was insulted and in the next wants people to see him as good hero of the people.

Oct 23, 2009 -- 6:38AM, Maxperson wrote:

A child molester could be a paragon of virtue most of the time, but has that uncontrollable urge that we all find abhorant. 

And there it is.

Um, no.  He's talking about someone acting insane and just doing whatever they want.  My example was a set personality trait.  You really ought to know what you're talking about before you open you're mouth.  You won't look so foolish that way.

  The average person who commits such crimes is not some random hand wringing lip licking man in some alley. Statistically, it's someone you know- usually a close family member, trusted friend, or trusted authority.  People who, aside from this particular problem, are often held in high esteem by the friends, family, and colleagues- and they didn't get that image by devoting themselves to being cruel and sadistic jerks.

  I work for a child welfare organization in which one of the higher ups was found to have engaged in illegal acts with a minor.  While this was indeed a horrible thing, said person didn't get to such a high position in a child welfare organization without doing things that helped it.  They had to actually do things (often at the cost of much time and effort on their part) that were in the interests of the organization and its aims to help larger numbers of children in order to get into their position... which they then used to harm pareticular children.

    But if that hits too close to home, then replace it your evil act of choice.,

  Even then, the idea of the person commited to being a selfish, immoral, and cruel jerk in all or even MOST aspects of their life isn't very compatible with how things generally work.  Acts of violence and other things we would be horrified by in day to day situations are regularly carried out by people who normally wouldn't do such things out of fear/desparation, bouts of passion, mental/emotional shortcommings, or belief in a particular cause.

     Thank goodness for Unaligned.