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Yes, dazed restricts you to one action (plus free actions) We agree on that. Spending an Action Point is a free action. I believe we also agree on that. Now when you spend that Action Point you gain an extra action. You were restricted to one action, now you are restricted to one plus an extra action. 

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:35AM, Suoitidure wrote:

 

Here is another scenario. What if you were stunned and during your turn another player uses a (hypothetical) power that lets you spend an action point. Now, on your stunned turn, can you take that action?

The hypothetical power that that would allow you to spend an action point would fail because you cannot take actions when stunned and spending an Action Point is a free action.

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:35AM, Suoitidure wrote:

When you spend an action point you do gain an extra action. Nothing about gaining that extra action says you get to use that extra action no matter the circumstances.

I can see how you came to this, but I think the specific beats general rule shows this isn't what was intended. The rules for dazed are the general rules, and action points are specific. Under that, you can be dazed and as a free action, spend an action point and get an extra action and use it, all on the same turn.

The trade off is not being able to spend an action point again that encounter. So you are using a valuable resource. When to spend an action point can make a difference in encounters, my players have shown me that many times. 

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:46AM, Undrhil wrote:

Not while stunned, but you could use it on a turn in which you are dazed.  That would be one way around the limitation of being dazed.

Why not? Both conditions impose a restriction on actions. If you can override one, why can you not override the other?

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:48AM, Dane_McArdy wrote:

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:35AM, Suoitidure wrote:

When you spend an action point you do gain an extra action. Nothing about gaining that extra action says you get to use that extra action no matter the circumstances.

I can see how you came to this, but I think the specific beats general rule shows this isn't what was intended. The rules for dazed are the general rules, and action points are specific. Under that, you can be dazed and as a free action, spend an action point and get an extra action and use it, all on the same turn.

The trade off is not being able to spend an action point again that encounter. So you are using a valuable resource. When to spend an action point can make a difference in encounters, my players have shown me that many times. 

How can you say which is more specific in this case? They are both general rules. In my opinion "no" overrides "yes," unless the "yes" specifically says it overrides the "no."

Also, nothing is forcing you to expend that valuable resource--you can hold onto it until you are no longer dazed. You have to make the choice if spending it and getting the triggered bonuses from spending it is worth losing that extra action.

If spending an action point can overcome one condtion, why can it not overcome other conditions.

"Since I am doing something heroic and spending an action point, I don't think I should be effected by blinded, slowed, prone, etc. After all, this is above and beyond the "normal" so it should not be effected, right?"

Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:52AM, miracleofmagick wrote:

In that extremely unlikely situation I would say yes, but I would also understand someone who says you can't since stunned says you can't take any actions. 

But in the case of Dazed it says-You can take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions). You can't take immediate actions or Opportunity actions. An Action Point grants you an additional action on top of that. As a matter of fact, a Warlord could still grant you a basic attack on his turn as well.

Both conditions impose action usage restrictions. Neither take away any actions. An action point only adds to the number of actions you have available, not actions that you can legally spend.

As long as you are consistant with your ruling (and allow that stunned character to take their extra move action), then that is good.