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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:46AM
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"You can take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions)."
That sentence is restrictive. "Either/or" means you can take only one of those said actions. If you have 50 standard actions, you can still take only one of them (and that cuts you off from a move or a minor as well).
You are incorrect. "either" does not imply that there are no other options - it is simply used to indicate a choice. "You can have either chips, or french fries" doesn't mean I can't have both if I'm willing to pay for the extra. "or" without any other modifiers can be inclusive, or exclusive...it does not, by itself, indicate exclusion of choices. "Do you want mustard or ketchup?" doesn't mean I can't have both if I want them. I'm hungry. Once again, no-where in the dazed condition does it state that you cannot gain extra actions. Take a look at page 269, upper left-hand corner. Dazed changes the very first bullet - not the other ones. And one of them is "Extra Action"...
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 11:07AM
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Not quite in answer to one of your rhetorical questions, at least I think they were, however what would happen if you were dazed in the middle of your turn because of a readied action. Say you have used your minor action, you use your move action to get adjacent to an enemy because you are going to use a standard action to attack him but the enemy had a readied action against your movement that results in dazing you. Can you now take that standard action or not?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 1:22PM
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readying an action counts as immediate action which you can't use while dazed !
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 5:02PM
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Think you misread my question. The PC is being dazed by a readied action of the enemy which is triggered by movement before they are able to use their standard action, it's not the person being dazed who is trying to use a readied action.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 5:56PM
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I think that since you have used at least one action you cannot use your remaining action(s). Not 100% positive though.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 6:34PM
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I think that since you have used at least one action you cannot use your remaining action(s).
Not 100% positive though.
that would fit in with the rule about being slowed after you already started moving- if you have already moved 2 or more squares and become slowed, your movement ends
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 7:13PM
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That could have been what I was thinking about, but yeah it would be kinda consistent rules wise.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 8:35PM
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"You can take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions)."
That sentence is restrictive. "Either/or" means you can take only one of those said actions. If you have 50 standard actions, you can still take only one of them (and that cuts you off from a move or a minor as well).
You are incorrect.
"either" does not imply that there are no other options - it is simply used to indicate a choice. "You can have either chips, or french fries" doesn't mean I can't have both if I'm willing to pay for the extra.
"or" without any other modifiers can be inclusive, or exclusive...it does not, by itself, indicate exclusion of choices. "Do you want mustard or ketchup?" doesn't mean I can't have both if I want them.
I'm hungry.
Once again, no-where in the dazed condition does it state that you cannot gain extra actions. Take a look at page 269, upper left-hand corner. Dazed changes the very first bullet - not the other ones. And one of them is "Extra Action"...
"You can have either the steak or the shrimp." This implies that you have to choose between the two. You can *ask* if you can have both, but the default choice is one or the other and most people will assume this and choose accordingly.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 8:59PM
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PHB 269:
Actions on your turn:
-Your Actions: You get the following three actions on your turn.
Standard Action
Move Action
Minor Action
-Extra Action: You can take an extra action by spending an action point. The extra action is separate thing from the normal actions your can take on your turn. PHB 277
-Daze:You can take either a standard action, move action or minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions). You can't take opportunity actions or immediate actions. Daze does not prevent you using an extra action, therefore you can take an extra action when you spend an action point while dazed.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 9:13PM
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I think that both sides are correct here. Suo makes a very good and valid point (usually does), while the plurality of the other posts in this thread make an opposing one that is also good and valid. I think that this might be a case where your DM would have to make the call. Logically, both work as the main difference is between something that the exact writing is ... well, it is not that it is vague, but rather simply not specific enough. -TheNative
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