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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:25AM
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You can play as many cards as you have in your hand. When dazed, you only have one. When you spend your Action Point, you draw another card and can play it.
No. You still have all 3 when dazed, you are just limited to one.
That's one way to look at it. If nothing else, Action Point specifies you get to take an EXTRA action, aka one more than your standard allotment. 3+1=4, 1+1=2.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:30AM
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That's one way to look at it.
If nothing else, Action Point specifies you get to take an EXTRA action, aka one more than your standard allotment. 3+1=4, 1+1=2.
That is what dazed says. Actually, an action point says you "gain" an extra action. It does not say you can "take" an extra action. In a normal turn, there are no restrictions on actions--there is only a normal allotment. On a dazed turn, there is a restriction.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:31AM
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Yeah, no-where in the dazed description does it say "you can only take one action on your turn." Instead, it lists a choice of actions you can take. Nothing there says, or even implies, that you cannot take additional actions via other sources (unlike stunned and unconscious, which are conspicuously clear). "You can take an action" is NOT the same as "You can take only one action" or maybe "You can't take more than one action." The dazed description's language is permissive, rather than restrictive. It's an important note to make.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:31AM
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That's one way to look at it.
If nothing else, Action Point specifies you get to take an EXTRA action, aka one more than your standard allotment. 3+1=4, 1+1=2.
That is what dazed says.
Actually, an action point says you "gain" an extra action. It does not say you can "take" an extra action. In a normal turn, there are no restrictions on actions--there is only a normal allotment. On a dazed turn, there is a restriction.
So, you can have an extra action and not use it? I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. If it's an extra action, it is over and above what you are ordinarily entitled to. If you can normally take 3, you now get 4. If you can normally take 1, you now get 2.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:33AM
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On a dazed turn, there is a restriction.
Yes, the restriction is that you can't take immediate or opportunity actions. It doesn't say you can't take additional granted actions.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:35AM
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Couldn't that same reasoning be applied to a normal turn though? On a normal turn you can take a standard, move and minor action. An action point trumps this general rule by allowing you to take another action. Why can't an action point also trump the dazed condition? Seems more like a problem of which is the specific and which is the general rule in this scenario because one has to trump the other it seems.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:37AM
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Yeah, no-where in the dazed description does it say "you can only take one action on your turn." Instead, it lists a choice of actions you can take. Nothing there says, or even implies, that you cannot take additional actions via other sources (unlike stunned and unconscious, which are conspicuously clear).
"You can take an action" is NOT the same as "You can take only one action" or maybe "You can't take more than one action."
The dazed description's language is permissive, rather than restrictive. It's an important note to make.
"You can take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions)." That sentence is restrictive. "Either/or" means you can take only one of those said actions. If you have 50 standard actions, you can still take only one of them (and that cuts you off from a move or a minor as well).
Couldn't that same reasoning be applied to a normal turn though? On a normal turn you can take a standard, move and minor action. An action point trumps this general rule by allowing you to take another action. Why can't an action point also trump the dazed condition?
Seems more like a problem of which is the specific and which is the general rule in this scenario because one has to trump the other it seems.
On a normal turn you are given one of each of the three actions. There is no limit placed on a normal turn, so an action point action does not need to trump anything. If you were allowed to only take one of each action, then trading a standard for a move would do nothing for you--since you already have (and probably took) your one move action.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:41AM
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Why can't daze simply be changing what your allotment of actions is by trumping the general rule that you get a standard, move & minor? Granting you a standard that you are able to trade down, albeit written differently than the trade down language but to the same exact effect.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:44AM
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From previous discussions, the concensus was that you could use action points while dazed (since dazed says "you can also take free actions"), but you cannot while stunned (since stunned says "You can’t take actions"). While RAW might be subject to debate, most people seemed to agree on RAI.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2009 - 10:46AM
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Why can't daze simply be changing what your allotment of actions is by trumping the general rule that you get a standard, move & minor? Granting you a standard that you are able to trade down, albeit written differently than the trade down language but to the same exact effect.
If dazed did say that, then I would agree that an action point action can be taken while dazed. Dazed does not say that though. What happens if it is your turn and you start out undazed, then a monster uses a readied action and dazes you? Do you think you can still use all 3 of your actions, since you did not start the turn dazed? What if you start your turn dazed, but you are able to remove the condition before the end of your turn? Do you think that you are still restricted to the one action?
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