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Switch to Forum Live View Playing Vistani- Where's the Beef?
4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 5:08AM #1
TufRat
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2005
Posts: 193

I just downloaded the article and it is crunch-free, except for some backgrounds. It refers to the Vistani Heritage feat, but doesn't give us the feat...


What's the deal here?

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 5:13AM #2
Mikenekopi
Date Joined: Aug 30, 2009
Posts: 23

There's another Vistani article on Monday, and then another next Friday. Theoretically these will contain all the crunch.


I strongly agree with you that at least the heritage feat needed to be included in this article, though. All this lovely flavor text would be a lot more useful if we had the major mechanic that it describes.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 5:20AM #3
Pundrake_the_Mad
Date Joined: Jul 6, 2008
Posts: 365

Chris Young's 10/2 editorial said Dragon would be switching to "shorter, more frequent articles." I guess this is what he meant: incomplete, poorly edited articles.


I would have gladly waited a few more days for a full-length article with a complete racial write-up. This is useless.


Fail.


PtM

Your house-rules suck.
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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 5:36AM #4
Mikenekopi
Date Joined: Aug 30, 2009
Posts: 23

This isn't even a bad article, but it isn't useful. The first Vistani article really needed to be the one with the actual Vistani mechanics in it. As I said before, an article about the flavor of playing Vistani doesn't do us any good if we don't have the ability to play Vistani. This is sort of like posting the epic assassin article before the heroic one would have been: It's neat, but we don't have the tools to actually use it, so it's just the same as it not being published until we get the basic mechanics.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 6:10AM #5
ars51
Date Joined: Aug 24, 2007
Posts: 43

until I read this thread I was under the assumption this would be "it". And was kinda angry I'm paying for a "here's some fluff now you go make a balanced race, we're busy with other stuff" tone in the artical. but i guess thats not the case, however, still probably the least intresting race so far in my opinion. Bugs me that it's a race inspired by sterotypical Romani culture.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 6:19AM #6
PhatWOP
Date Joined: Aug 9, 2007
Posts: 106

I can only agree that this is full of fail.


 


I have the impetus to come here and look in the forums and search the calendar, but many other poeple might simply read the article and then think that an error was made and A) Be Angry, something you generally want to avoid if possible with your customer base or B) Send an email about the "bug" which then fills wizards inbox with useless spam.


 


We like the digital content just fine, but this is the wrong way to post these articles. Stringing this out does not build tension or excitement, it simply angers your player base. If I see an article titled "Playing Vistani" I would expect, minimum, that it would let me PLAY Vistani, which of course, I can not do at this point. It was okay with the assassin because A) It had logical breaking points, namely the tiers and B) It was posted on the calenday as Assassin: Heroic Teir, so we all had set our expectations correctly.


 


I understand you are trying lots of new things and part of this is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. This should not stick. Next month when we go to shorter and daily articles, I REALLY don't want to be dealing with this.


 


I DO NOT want to see - Tuesday: New Fighter powers 1-3, Wednesday : Fighter powers 5-9, Thursday: Fighter Heroic feats. That is not shorter articles, that is just breaking up one article and making it annoying to read.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 6:38AM #7
Guest1753224003
Date Joined: Feb 12, 2009
Posts: 38

If articles are going to be split up, each article should still be fully functional, which the Vistani article is not.  It is in fact, quite useless except as a teaser.  It's one thing to get this kind of material for the previews.  It's entirely another when you're putting out articles for a magazine.


I can't help but think the push to shorter articles is driven by the need to cut costs and deliver less content for more money.


I'm not sure why Dragon Magazine is so full of holes these days.  First, the non-existent rules for ki focuses and multiclassing in the Assassin article, and now this.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 7:03AM #8
FoxFreeze
Date Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Posts: 7

I think people are acting a little rash, honestly.

It was clearly pointed out in the Editorial Calendar that there would be three seperate articles, and I expected one to be fluff.

Yes, it was kind've messed up to allow it to be the first one. However, I'm sure this is no big ploy for Wizards to 'rob us of our money' - it's just them testing the waters with a new layout idea they had. Many companies do it.

As for the article itself, and as a fan of Ravenloft Vistani, I found it informative and fun - and well edited, so I'll disagree with any statements otherwise. I enjoyed the fluff they offered, though I was initially apprehensive to it when I found out it was a bloodline based race - I enjoy the crunch of fully fleshed races. And sure, it plays up some of the stereotypes, but not in a derogatory manner and no more than they have with other items within the game (see primal power source).

Admittedly, though, it is infuriating reading the article and hearing all about the 'blooding' ceremony and their ability to curse and stuff. I wish they would've at least included some crunch towards that or the initial bloodline feat. Oh well, I will say I am excited for Monday.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 7:26AM #9
dieffenbachj
Date Joined: Sep 21, 2008
Posts: 590

I'm going to go ahead and put my stamp of disapproval on any calendar system which produces 9 pages of fluff, and no crunch.


I really hope this isn't the way it is in future months; logging on eagerly each morning to see the articles of the day, only to discover that it's 9+ pages of nothing I give a damn about. Vistani are inherently not interesting to me; that there's 9 pages of nothing but describing them makes me dissatisfied with my paid product. The potential for this to happen day after day, month after month, for years... I'm going to be extremely angry if after a couple months, this is still Wizards MO:

"Okay, if we print more articles each month, but don't fill them with actual content, it'll be much easier, AND we'll continue to get paid!"


 


And I'm gonna go ahead and cut off people who respond with "Well, it depends on how you define 'content'. Some people might be satisfied with this article."


Well, yes. Some people might. I am not. This article saddens me. I woke up, eagerly flipped to Google Chrome, eagerly dove into Wizards' HORRIBLE new website, opened an article I had been looking forward to and...


...nothing. No feats to take, no powers... just fluff, which I'll throw out anyway because I rarely follow pages and pages and PAGES of pre-made fluff in my game.


THAT is what _I_ define as content. And Wizards has just tried to sell me something without content, as far as I am concerned.


 


But my real concern isn't a lack of content in future articles though. Articles of fluff will be welcome... if and only if this wad of useless content space doesn't interfere with our normal monthly intake of content. That is to say, if we received x pages of crunch in the past on average, we'd better continue to get x pages of crunch in the future--if that ends up being the case, write as many useless fluff articles as you like.


 


EDIT: Oh yeah. And I'm also apprehensive in that we have three Playing Vistani articles on the calendar. If they're all roughly of the same length as this first one, that's 27 pages of something I barely care about.


EDIT EDIT: Oh, and I agree with people who say that this is also just extremely lazy editing. "We'll print more, smaller articles!" is an entirely different thing than "We'll take a normal sized article, chop it into three useless, annoying to read, segregated pieces that have no rhyme or reason to being split up that way!". The former is an interesting concept and a welcome addition. The latter is lazy writing, and I think Wizards is trying to pull one on us by doing it.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 09, 2009 - 7:28AM #10
Mengu74
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007
Posts: 3,233

I was all excited to see what this was about, and then all disappointed for lack of crunch. Oh well, I guess it's coming. We must be too used to instant gratification.

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