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Sep 25, 2009 -- 3:53PM, chanter_hound wrote:

Being able to stay hidden and eliminate the biggest baddy while not getting ganged up on is better IMO than running straight into combat and forcing all the leaders to heal your sorry behind.

Quoted for truth.  I don't play a lot of strikers, though I play a mixed bag of characters (my other characters include Dwarf Fighter, Dwarf Warden, Genasi Artificer w/bow, Goldiath Barbarian/Bard hybrid, Dwarf Shaman and a Kalashtar Psion.  I'm also familiar with ranged Rangers because I had to help a ranger player when she first joined a lot.)

Last weekend I played two different Avengers for the first time at a local RPGA convention, one being a Githzerai Pursuing and the other being a Deva Unity.

My Gith didn't do to badly, because things were usually dead before I had any problems (and we had no leaders, so second wind was our only friend), but I noticedi in both games with my Deva I was out of healing surges before the end of the module, and I was so not used to that happening - not even on my controllers.  The thing is, my controllers usually know enough to stay back and not get hit wheras now I had to be in melee.  I learned at the end of the 2nd game that using my ranged at-will that grants me temp HP, then going in for some melee smackdown, then moving back to get temp HP again was really my best option.  The fact that the Deva had Healer's Mercy also helped, but isn't that great when you have no Surges yourself.

Granted, I was doing enough damage that the enemies (mostly giant ants) were ignoring marks to come after me.

My other main striker, the Barbarian/Bard, doesn't have too much problems because he has a reach weapon and can heal himself in a pinch.

Now that I think about it, my very first character was a Dwarf melee Ranger, and I learned very quickly that winning initiative and charging into the enemies before your allies can back you up is a very bad thing!

Now all that said, the Assassin has me cautiously optimistic.  I know I'm a little too gung-ho with my melee strikers for this to be worthwhile for me.  I'd consider the Assassin for multiclass with my Gith avenger (Who is Windrise Ports and already has a fighter multiclass to get a free attack on enemies who try to shift away from him 1/encounter), but until we actually know what the Assassin multiclass feat is, that doesn't do me much good.

Oct 1, 2009 -- 1:10PM, shivafang wrote:

Sep 25, 2009 -- 3:53PM, chanter_hound wrote:

Being able to stay hidden and eliminate the biggest baddy while not getting ganged up on is better IMO than running straight into combat and forcing all the leaders to heal your sorry behind.

Quoted for truth.  I don't play a lot of strikers, though I play a mixed bag of characters (my other characters include Dwarf Fighter, Dwarf Warden, Genasi Artificer w/bow, Goldiath Barbarian/Bard hybrid, Dwarf Shaman and a Kalashtar Psion.  I'm also familiar with ranged Rangers because I had to help a ranger player when she first joined a lot.)

Last weekend I played two different Avengers for the first time at a local RPGA convention, one being a Githzerai Pursuing and the other being a Deva Unity.

My Gith didn't do to badly, because things were usually dead before I had any problems (and we had no leaders, so second wind was our only friend), but I noticedi in both games with my Deva I was out of healing surges before the end of the module, and I was so not used to that happening - not even on my controllers.  The thing is, my controllers usually know enough to stay back and not get hit wheras now I had to be in melee.  I learned at the end of the 2nd game that using my ranged at-will that grants me temp HP, then going in for some melee smackdown, then moving back to get temp HP again was really my best option.  The fact that the Deva had Healer's Mercy also helped, but isn't that great when you have no Surges yourself.

Granted, I was doing enough damage that the enemies (mostly giant ants) were ignoring marks to come after me.

My other main striker, the Barbarian/Bard, doesn't have too much problems because he has a reach weapon and can heal himself in a pinch.

Now that I think about it, my very first character was a Dwarf melee Ranger, and I learned very quickly that winning initiative and charging into the enemies before your allies can back you up is a very bad thing!

Now all that said, the Assassin has me cautiously optimistic.  I know I'm a little too gung-ho with my melee strikers for this to be worthwhile for me.  I'd consider the Assassin for multiclass with my Gith avenger (Who is Windrise Ports and already has a fighter multiclass to get a free attack on enemies who try to shift away from him 1/encounter), but until we actually know what the Assassin multiclass feat is, that doesn't do me much good.

well, yeah, today i had more adventures that match up with my current philosiphy of "Don't let the enemy attack you. EVER!"

I decided to play a defender. A whip master defender at that, with the deva hertige to through out -2 penalty, And my whips give a -2 penalty. But doing all this didn't matter. It didn't matter i was even at full life. The monster thing attacked me, rolling 2 crits, dispite being knocked prone and taking a -4 to hit me takes me from 33 hp, right down to 0. Before him, was previous battles that hit me for another 2 criticals. So in one session, i got 4 criticals against me. (Not to mention the several critical failures from skill checks and attacking)

Hmm.... now that we have our "ninja".... where's our pirate? Epic showdown time!

Oct 4, 2009 -- 4:29PM, Gadren wrote:

Oct 4, 2009 -- 4:22PM, Samrin wrote:

Hmm.... now that we have our "ninja".... where's our pirate? Epic showdown time!

We've always had Ninja. Rogues get a bonus with shuriken for Chris' sake.

As for pirate. Well, what would you want to see that's so "pirate-y that a rogue trained in athletics and acrobatics can't already do?"

It was a joke.... see Ninja vs. Pirate.