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4 years ago ::
Oct 06, 2009 - 9:13PM
#311
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FYI: Although there was neither an Assassin Multiclass Feat nor Ki Focuses in the Assassin Articles las month, the updated Compedium and Character Builder now have them both. Everyone can now rejoice.
The MC is a welcome addition. The Ki Focus entries are nothign that we already didn't know could be done with them (vanilla +1, +2, +3, etc.).
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2009 - 2:47AM
#312
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It is indeed nice that those things were added, it is a pity they missed the Shadowblade for Focused Expertise and as an item of equipment so you can equip it and get the attack bonuses right. FYI the way to trick it is to grab a short sword, rename it to Shadow Blade, change the damage to d8, (do this as many times as needed). You can then equip it in your off-hand, and use Focused Expertise (Shortsword) to simulate Focused Expertise (Shadowblade).
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 7:47AM
#313
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Sep 27, 2003
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It is indeed nice that those things were added, it is a pity they missed the Shadowblade for Focused Expertise and as an item of equipment so you can equip it and get the attack bonuses right.
FYI the way to trick it is to grab a short sword, rename it to Shadow Blade, change the damage to d8, (do this as many times as needed). You can then equip it in your off-hand, and use Focused Expertise (Shortsword) to simulate Focused Expertise (Shadowblade).
uhm... huh?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 7:48AM
#314
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Date Joined:
Sep 12, 2007
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It is indeed nice that those things were added, it is a pity they missed the Shadowblade for Focused Expertise and as an item of equipment so you can equip it and get the attack bonuses right.
FYI the way to trick it is to grab a short sword, rename it to Shadow Blade, change the damage to d8, (do this as many times as needed). You can then equip it in your off-hand, and use Focused Expertise (Shortsword) to simulate Focused Expertise (Shadowblade).
uhm... huh?
i'm not sure what he's on about re: focused expertise for shadowblade, as theres already a FE for ki focus, but i get his complaint about no shadowblade weapon. i did the same thing, using shortsword to simulate it in CB, only with focused exp ki focus.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2009 - 11:38PM
#315
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Aug 18, 2007
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Assassins can use any weapon they are proficient in as Implements - Shadowblade is a weapon they can be proficient in, and thus Focused Expertise is needed for it. The work around for that, and the absence of Shadowblade as an item you can equip, is to mess with Short Swords which do not need a feat to be equipped etc. Also Focused Expertise (Ki Focus) doesn't do anything, as you cannot use your Ki Focus as a weapon.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2009 - 11:52PM
#316
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Sep 27, 2003
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Assassins can use any weapon they are proficient in as Implements - Shadowblade is a weapon they can be proficient in, and thus Focused Expertise is needed for it. The work around for that, and the absence of Shadowblade as an item you can equip, is to mess with Short Swords which do not need a feat to be equipped etc.
Also Focused Expertise (Ki Focus) doesn't do anything, as you cannot use your Ki Focus as a weapon.
Still totally losing me dude.
I get taking Focused Expertise (Shadowblade). It's an "obvious" choice at higher levels. The short sword thing makes no sense what-so-ever, though.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:39AM
#317
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Sep 20, 2004
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Also Focused Expertise (Ki Focus) doesn't do anything, as you cannot use your Ki Focus as a weapon.
This has been covered. You are wrong. You can take focused expertise (ki focus). It DOES do soemthing. Any time you use a weapon, and you enhance that weapon with your ki focus instead of the weapons natural enchantments, you can use focused expertise (ki focus) to gain a bonus with attack rolls while you are using that weapon. That, it seems, is the intent behind how focused expertise and ki focus are supposed to synergize together. Continuing to rail against it isn't going to do you any good. You ARE supposed to be able to take focused expertise with your ki focus, and it DOES work. However, I agree, the wording of ki focus and focused expertise is a little messy. It is understandable why so many people get confused as to how the power and the feat are supposed to work together.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:40AM
#318
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Sep 20, 2004
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Assassins can use any weapon they are proficient in as Implements - Shadowblade is a weapon they can be proficient in, and thus Focused Expertise is needed for it. The work around for that, and the absence of Shadowblade as an item you can equip, is to mess with Short Swords which do not need a feat to be equipped etc.
Also Focused Expertise (Ki Focus) doesn't do anything, as you cannot use your Ki Focus as a weapon.
Still totally losing me dude.
I get taking Focused Expertise (Shadowblade). It's an "obvious" choice at higher levels.
The short sword thing makes no sense what-so-ever, though.
The short sword thing doesn't have anything to do with the rules of D&D, and everything to do with the mechanics of the character builder. In order to "simulate" a shadowblade on your character sheet you can equip a short sword in the character builder, and then manually change its damage dice to d8.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:45AM
#319
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Sep 27, 2003
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Assassins can use any weapon they are proficient in as Implements - Shadowblade is a weapon they can be proficient in, and thus Focused Expertise is needed for it. The work around for that, and the absence of Shadowblade as an item you can equip, is to mess with Short Swords which do not need a feat to be equipped etc.
Also Focused Expertise (Ki Focus) doesn't do anything, as you cannot use your Ki Focus as a weapon.
Still totally losing me dude.
I get taking Focused Expertise (Shadowblade). It's an "obvious" choice at higher levels.
The short sword thing makes no sense what-so-ever, though.
The short sword thing doesn't have anything to do with the rules of D&D, and everything to do with the mechanics of the character builder. In order to "simulate" a shadowblade on your character sheet you can equip a short sword in the character builder, and then manually change its damage dice to d8.
Ohhhh, he was talking about Character Builder. I use a mac so I wouldn't know anything about that.
But it seems to me it would be better to use a dagger and manually change the damage dice, since the dagger can be thrown like a shadowblade and a shortsword can't.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:53AM
#320
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2004
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Assassins can use any weapon they are proficient in as Implements - Shadowblade is a weapon they can be proficient in, and thus Focused Expertise is needed for it. The work around for that, and the absence of Shadowblade as an item you can equip, is to mess with Short Swords which do not need a feat to be equipped etc.
P.S. No Focused Expertise (shadowblade) feat is needed. The focused expertise feats are taken in weapon groups. In order to gain focused expertise with a shadowblade, what you would take is focused expertise (light blade), because that is what a shadowblade is. You can, already, do that. What they need to do is create a "shadowblade" item for the character builder, if they haven't already...
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