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Sep 10, 2009 -- 12:06PM, Johnny_Angel wrote:

Could you command the dominated creature to lie down and take a nap?

What about just having them toss their weapon (if using one) away?

If we assume the dominator can also choose the dominated's free actions as well as the only action they'll be getting, then yes. (free: drop prone, drop weapon)

If we assume a dominated creature can't take free actions, then this can still happen, but they won't be doing anything else in the turn. (standard: drope prone) [or] (standard: drop weapon)

If we assume the dominated creature stlil has control of his own free actions, the rules fall apart and dominated becomes less useful than a stun.

I swear, this condition needs some official clarification.

Thank you for nitpicking and contributing nothing to this discussion in the process.

EDIT to avoid bumping:

To the poster below me: Well excuse me for not reading that one nitpick post 2 pages ago when there were many other and more constructive post to get through.

This topic will soon degenerate into mindless flame war, hence I won't be bumping it anymore. For what it's worth, this thread provided some good answers. The rest is best left forgotten.

Hey gents, on the domination topic, just a idea for fun,

Would you think that forcing a dominated creature to take a move and run past many enemies would trigger OA's similar to Cause Fear ?

Probably yes no doubt, and if so, could this be considered some form of forced movement ? I know i know, RAW forced movements are push/pull/slide and teleports soon will be considered such, but looking into it, what is really a forced movement ? the action of physically or magically making you move against your will kind of ?

And if so, would it be reasonable to give the dominated creature a saving throw to avoid getting 5-6 OA's ?

It's a bit offroad, but just thinking...  (probably not as it is not defined as a forced movement but ...)

my two cents worth, since there is an epic tier warlock power that can bring about this very situation -

could a dominated creature be compelled to attack itself?   I would say yes, but it would get a saving throw at the end of its turn to end the domination

is a dominated creature subject to a coup de grace?  I would say no because only a helpess creature, incapable of performing any actions, including basic attacks, is vulnerable to a coup de grace and if the dominated creature is capable of making basic attacks, then it is not helpless

can a dominated creature be rendered helpless?   Yes!  a dominated creature can be compelled to drop its weapon, its shield and to lie motionless on the ground and then permit itself to be tied up and thus rendered helpess;  at which point, it would be vulnerable to a coup de grace ......of course, this assumes that the spellcaster is able to maintain the domination

Hi, I just wanted to add this.  At the game I am in on Saturdays our 20th Level Rogue - Halfling Daggermaster was dominated and our DM had him attack himself (Sly Flourish) for his single domination action.  He (of course) rolled a 18 and critically hit himself and then our DM also had him roll his sneak attack damage as being Dazed as part of the Domination meant he granted himself combat advantage(to himself).  (I was pretty sure he hadn't already used it during his own turn before being dominated)

I believed that adding the sneak attack (precision or striker) damage was a bit too much.   I know that a Ranger or Warlock or Avenger etc. wouldn't have this problem as they have to 'mark' for their striker damage or abilty to work.  At first, I didn't believe he could attack himself anyway.

Remember DM's that if you dominate Warlords and Bards you could possibly get your temporary ally to grant monsters basic attacks, or free shifts and other movement effects.

Heck, just having the Dominated PC run and grant opportunity attacks could be better than letting the DM play with your At-Will attacks.

Think of Wolf Pack Tactics, Commander's Strike, Thunderwave (to push the PCs to a disadvantageous part of the battlefield), Sacred Flame/War Song Strike (to grant an enemy TEMP HP)

Add me to the list of people who believe that being Dominated means you can't just kill yourself, unless you have an at-will attack that could do this through the damage if you hit yourself. 

If your DM tried to have your Dominated PC run off a cliff, I believe that you would get a Saving Throw before taking the plunge.

The rogue in question did about 70 pts to himself which bloodied him.  The Cleric in the party granted him a Saving Throw on his turn and the Rogue retreated to fight ranged (with his dagger).

What if you have a Magic Item/ Weapon that something happens when you Crit (when Dominated)?  Does the person dominating the PC decide if they use the property or daily magic item power or does the dominated player decide?  It would be nice if they could clarify some of this...