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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 9:34PM #1
LuciferNietzsche
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A digression of topic on another thread inspired me to make a rudimentary attempt at the following...

Illithid

[FONT="Palatino Linotype"]Nightmarishly alien refugees from a doomed time, desperately struggling to find a different path to a better future.[/FONT]
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Racial Traits
. Average Height: 5 x ' 6"-6' 2"
. Average Weight: 130 x -200 lbs.
.
. Ability Scores: +2 x Intelligence, +2 Charisma
. Size: Medium
. Speed: 6 x Squares
. Vision: Darkvision
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. Languages: Deep Speech, telepathy 5 x , choice of one other.
. Skill Bonuses: +2 x Bluff, +2 Dungeoneering
. Aberrant Origin:Your ancestors are alien beings from a future dominated by the Far Realm, so
. . . . you are considered an aberrant creature for the purpose of effects that relate to creature
. . . . origin.
. Psionic Nature: You gain a +5 x racial bonus to saving throws against charm effects.
. Psychic Resistance: You gain resist psychic 5 x + one-half your level.
. Mind Blast: You can use mind blast as an encounter power.
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Mind Blast . . . . . . . . Illithid Racial Power

[FONT="Palatino Linotype"]In a storm of pure destructive mental power, you unleash a psychic assault on your foes.[/FONT]
Encounter # Psychic
Minor Action . . . . . Close blast 3
Target: All creatures in area
Attack: Intelligence + 2 x vs. Will, Wisdom + 2 vs. Will, or
. . Constitution +2 x vs. Will
Hit: 1 x d4 + Wisdom modifier psychic damage.
. . Increase to +4 x bonus and 2d4 + Wisdom modifier psychic damage
. . at 11 x th level, and +6 bonus and 3d4 + Wisdom modifier psychic
. . damage at 21 x st level.
Special: When you create your character, choose Intelligence, Wisdom,
. . or Charisma as the ability score you use when making attack rolls
. . with this power.

Now, to explain why they are the way they are.

First, they can't go around eating people's brains, that's just not very heroic...even if they're evil people's brains. So these Illithids are "vegetarians" to borrow from that abomination known as Twilight. They only eat animal brains. The consequence of this is that while they can still be potent psionic characters (if they go into a psionic class), they are no longer inherently psionic as they otherwise would be. They're [s]no longer naturally telepathic, no longer have Mind Blast, and are no longer immune to Mind Blasts of other Illithids. Animal brains are enough to survive on, but it costs them.

Next...by all rights, comparing them to the MM they should be dominant in Dex and Cha...but after looking over other PHB races in the MM, the stats in the book have nothing to do with the race's propensities, so I went back to Savage Species for inspiration. I figured Int/Cha was better than Int/Wis.

They should have Psionics as a skill...but there's no such skill yet, probably won't be even in the PH3. In terms of what can be done with them...religion is nothing compared to arcana. So I gave the Bluff (because they need it, frankly) and Arcana (because it just makes sense).

[s]Normally they don't speak common, but I figured if these Illithids are trying to make their way in the upper world, they must at least know that much. In return for sacrificing telepathy, and owing to their still significant intellect, they get to pick an extra language, too. Took out common and gave them telepathy back. It's not that bad, and it just makes more sense.

Edit: For the time being, I'm offering a choice between tentacles and mind blast. Not in the sense of the drow's choice...you get to use one version of the race or the other. Too many people wanna keep mind blast.

Edited Edit: Tentacles is no longer a power...just a flat bonus to grab attempts and a tad more.

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Now, as for WHY Illithids might take up this lifestyle? Simple, in all honesty, their current methods are far from intelligent. They're not inscrutably alien or incomprehensible. There can be only one outcome...their failure to survive. How they could've possibly dominated the future in the first place does, admittedly, defy description. That's more because it's simply stupid than unknowably weird. Excessive altruism is weak, but the degree of selfishness of most evil races is far far more futile.

So...these PC Illithids are those rare few who have managed to see beyond their race's supposed goals, and somehow have shaken off the will of the elder brains, and have thus taken up the path of the hero. Perhaps these Illithids would have become elder brains themselves eventually, and somehow managed to survive to be implanted in hosts...thus giving them greater freedom than other Illithids. Forced to flee for survival, they've come to understand that things often work quite well without the sociopathic influence of the Mind-Flayers.

Honestly...it's all up to DMs and Players, since this is just homebrew. I just wanted to show it could be done...even if it still might need work. Feel free to comment or adapt it as you see fit. I'm not likely to go much farther with the project...it's just a demonstration to some naysayers.
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 9:56PM #2
AnubisDread
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To be fair I never said it was impossible, just very difficult... and I'll admit that this is definitely a major step forward in dispelling that difficulty

Now just a few minor nit picks. I think adding a watered down version of mind blast and reducing tentacles to a racial bonus on grapple check would be a better way to go, and I'm not sure on having telepathy as a language... no other PC race has it, but I'm not sure whether that's because no other PC race has a REASON to, or whether it's because it would be over powered. Other than that though, good job

Now all they need to do is convince the party and everyone they meet that no, they AREN'T going to eat their brains :P

EDIT: Included a watered down of Mind Blast while I was typing. It's a little weak, try comparing it to the Dragonborns breath power to get an idea of a direction it could take. I think adding Wisdom, Charisma or Intelligence instead of just intelligence would be better than pigeon holding them into wizards and such, especially since we have no idea whether most of the upcoming Psiconic classes will be Int based or not.

EDIT le EDIT: Sorry, didn't account for the extra burst squares the Ithillid got as oppose to the Dragonborn. With a feat that boosts the damage I'd say that's quite resonable, though targeting Will would make more sense than AC
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:02PM #3
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Just off the top of my head, I'd drop arcana for dungeoneering personally. Arcana just doesn't make sense in my mind, unless of course Arcana ends up being the skill associated with psionics.

Additionally, a weakened Mind Blast would probably work better than that tentacle power. It would show their psionic power while at the same time being useful for more than just melee classes. Then there could be paragon/epic feats or some racial paragon path that would amp up the Mind Blast to bring it more inline with the NPC Illithids.

It doesn't even need to be explained away as reflecting their switch from sentient to non-sentient brains. It could just reflect the fact that the Illithid is inexperienced, what with being level 1. As it levels it's Mind Blast as previously said could improve via feats or paragon path choices.

What would probably be best would be to initially model the Mind Blast after the Dragonborn breath attack.
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:03PM #4
LuciferNietzsche
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Um...I have no idea why...but everytime I put in the "Encounter * Psychic" entry of the Mind Blast power...it comes up 0 x Psychic. No idea what's goin on there.

I mostly used the dragonborn for the basis of mind blast...but it was either give them better damage and keep them at blast 3...or cut their damage and make it blast 5 like in the MM.

As for Int to damage and such...I suppose it wouldn't be a huge stretch to at least give them the choice between INT, CHA, and WIS
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:05PM #5
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Blast 3 would probably be fine. It all goes back to your starting as a level 1.

I could totally see Illithids having a number of feats and such that would be centred around Mind Blast.
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:08PM #6
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Enclave wrote:

Blast 3 would probably be fine. It all goes back to your starting as a level 1.

I could totally see Illithids having a number of feats and such that would be centred around Mind Blast.


Fair enough. Well bargained, and done.

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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:08PM #7
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Definitely, they could have a feat to slide the targets, a feat to daze the targets... basically some controller functionality, mostly to differentiate them from the more "boom, crash" racial feats Dragonborn get for their breath weapon.
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:10PM #8
LuciferNietzsche
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AnubisDread wrote:

To be fair I never said it was impossible, just very difficult... and I'll admit that this is definitely a major step forward in dispelling that difficulty

Now just a few minor nit picks. I think adding a watered down version of mind blast and reducing tentacles to a racial bonus on grapple check would be a better way to go, and I'm not sure on having telepathy as a language... no other PC race has it, but I'm not sure whether that's because no other PC race has a REASON to, or whether it's because it would be over powered. Other than that though, good job

Now all they need to do is convince the party and everyone they meet that no, they AREN'T going to eat their brains :P

EDIT: Included a watered down of Mind Blast while I was typing. It's a little weak, try comparing it to the Dragonborns breath power to get an idea of a direction it could take. I think adding Wisdom, Charisma or Intelligence instead of just intelligence would be better than pigeon holding them into wizards and such, especially since we have no idea whether most of the upcoming Psiconic classes will be Int based or not.

EDIT le EDIT: Sorry, didn't account for the extra burst squares the Ithillid got as oppose to the Dragonborn. With a feat that boosts the damage I'd say that's quite resonable, though targeting Will would make more sense than AC


No worries, you're not one of the naysayers, IMO. I'll have to think on whether to feat-boost the damage...or switch it back around and feat-boost the range instead. Ah well...

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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:13PM #9
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Completely forgot the dazing. Dumbed down the range without boosting power, added a daze. Think it's too much?
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4 years ago  ::  May 23, 2009 - 10:14PM #10
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LuciferNietzsche wrote:

No worries, you're not one of the naysayers, IMO. I'll have to think on whether to feat-boost the damage...or switch it back around and feat-boost the range instead. Ah well...


I'd say keep the range, and feat-boost the damage. It'll keep it different to the Dragonborn, and it'll add more of a controller over a striker feel to them, which suites the Ithillid more imo

EDIT: Adding daze onto the base is a much better way to go. i'd say it's pretty much spot on, or as much as you can be without play testing. Would it be overpowered if it targetted Will instead of AC though?

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