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ff6shadow wrote:

The PDF is not up to date as of today. I didn't actually create in and have no ability to update it unless Lugritor finds the time. I'll drop him a private message and hope he has the time.

Valdark
Vertical Shot having that effect was a copy paste error. Thanks for pointing that out.

For Defensive Spin, would reducing the bonus to +1, +2 with a staff, then +2/+4 at epic sound reasonable for keeping it as an effect line.

I changed Encounter 3 Flurry of Blows to inflict -2 to AC (save ends) if you have the Flurry of Blows tactics. Sound better?

Actually reviewing this with Gnome in Denial we don't really have a problem with Defensive Spin as it stands.

The defense bonus gives him a significant edge over his shield wielding friends but only on rounds where he uses this At-Will.

He must sacrifice his defense for offense and vice versa which works.

Neither of us feel the vertical shot makes sense or is necessary to the class.

By adding ranged At-Wills you may be spreading the class too thin.

The following portion of Precision Strike also gives us some issues.

-----Precision Strike: You deal additional damage equal to your Intelligence modiifer and the target grants combat advantage (save ends).

You may be stepping on the toes of both the Rogue and the Warlord classes.

They each have similar powers but combat advantage only lasts till the end of their next turn and is restricted to either personal or an ally of your choice.

I say that if you are set on this portion of the power at least push it back to later levels.

Again ff6shadow, thank you for all the hard work and for keeping an open mind to balance.

If you re-read above, Valdark retracted his comment with Defensive Strike. Returning it back to normal +2/+3 and then +3/+6 works with us just fine, even leaving it as an effect line. We both feel that the shield user will still have a significant advantage being able to use his +3 AC/Ref bonus (+2 shield and +1 shield spec) while still using encounter and daily powers to a larger effect. We also definately like the visual it gives us of a staff fighter swinging at air (missing) but still whilring around, driving enemies back (hence it being an effect line). In short, the bonuses before were fine, and moving them down makes the effect too small, imho.

EDIT after reading your comment about shield stacking: Either make it a shield bonus so it wont stack (but I do like the benefit of a shield/spear user) OR Leave it reduced but not reduced for STAFF where you cant use a shield.

It seems like youre definately determined about vertical shot. In my opinion, a ranged at will is not needed. The class itself, as you said, is very spear heavy, and if someone wants to shoot out a 'basic attack' at ranged with their javelin, they can do so, but an at will spreads the class a bit wild. Keeping him Str based melee gives more focus. Some Encounter or Daily abilities woulnt be bad for ranged though, but an at will seems too much...again IMHO. This is not balance but merely personal preference talking.

I will eventually sit down with a book and go over a full power comparison. Thank you for your time.

ff6shadow wrote:

I map the weapon options as follow.
Javelin + Shield - - - +2 Prof 1d6 damage - - ranged, reach
Spear + Shield - - - +2 Prof 1d8 damage - - reach
Quarterstaff - - - +2 Prof 1d8 damage - - reach, various staff bonus powers, wizard multi compatability
Long Spear - - - +2 Prof 1d10 damage - - reach, +1 to hit
Halberd - - - +2 Prof 1d10 damage - - reach, +1 to hit, Axe
Glaive - - - +2 Prof 2d4 damage - - reach, +1 to hit, Heavy Blade

Dont forget, Double Javelin or Double Spear to multi class into ranger ^^