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5 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 6:14PM #15701
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Your the best dmg
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 12:59PM #15702
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Jan 3, 2013 -- 6:14PM, frost.fire wrote:

Your the best dmg




Nope.
I am not the best dmg ... the best dmg is the DMG.

I'm the best admg ; absolutely.  It's not even close.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 12:08PM #15703
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Q8307: Is there any way to LOWER the effective level of a spell?

In other words, if I have a prestige class such as Sublime Chord, that begins granting 4th level spells and higher, is there any way to, say, reduce the spell level so that I could use it to qualify for a prestige class that required 2nd level spells?

(Yes, I am aware that I could use whatever spells qualified me for Sublime Chord in the first place... this is more for a thought experiment than anything else.  I want to find out if I can do it with my Sublime Chord spell slots.) 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 12:13PM #15704
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Jan 6, 2013 -- 12:08PM, piggyknowles wrote:

Q8307: Is there any way to LOWER the effective level of a spell?

In other words, if I have a prestige class such as Sublime Chord, that begins granting 4th level spells and higher, is there any way to, say, reduce the spell level so that I could use it to qualify for a prestige class that required 2nd level spells?

(Yes, I am aware that I could use whatever spells qualified me for Sublime Chord in the first place... this is more for a thought experiment than anything else.  I want to find out if I can do it with my Sublime Chord spell slots.) 




I don't think it's necessary.  I would assume that any numerical quantity in excess of what is listed would constitute a qualifying prerequisite.  If the class requires a +6 BAB, after all, you can enter if your BAB is higher than that.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 12:48PM #15705
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It probably isn't, for any remotely reasonable DM.  But let's say I am actually incapable of casting second level spells - the lowest spell level I can cast is fourth.  And let's assume I've got an absurdly pedantic DM.  Is it possible to drop some of my fourth level spells to second level, in order to qualify?

I'm just trying to work this out for a solely theoretical build, and if I can find a way to prevent people from punching holes in it in advance, that would make me quite happy. 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 2:11PM #15706
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A3807: Sanctum Spell. Or knowstones/other list-enhancers.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 2:16PM #15707
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Also, look in the DMG; I'm pretty sure it specifies that PrC prereqs are minimums, therefore, if you can cast 4th-level spells, you can qualify for a PrC that requires 2nd-level spells.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 2:31PM #15708
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Wow, somehow I'm so used to Sanctum Spell being used to boost a spell level that I completely forgot it drops the spell level if used outside of one's sanctum.  That gets me down to third level... almost there.

By spell list enhancers, do you mean things like Mother Cyst and the various Bloodline/Heritage feats?  I can use a higher level slot to cast a lower level spell - so if I take Mother Cyst, then I can use my 4th-level slots to cast the 2nd-level spells, right?

Not familiar with Knowstones.  A quick google tells me they're in a dragon magazine, but I just checked the Compendium and couldn't find them... I take it they're just things that add spells to spell lists, like the Drake-Helm?

draco, I just checked the DMG section on prestige classes and couldn't find anything there, nor does a search on the SRD yield anything.  Do you happen to have a page number? 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 2:32PM #15709
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I'm afb right now, so you'd have to wait a few hours for me to look.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 2:37PM #15710
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Jan 6, 2013 -- 2:31PM, piggyknowles wrote:

Wow, somehow I'm so used to Sanctum Spell being used to boost a spell level that I completely forgot it drops the spell level if used outside of one's sanctum.


Really? I always remember if for Contingency abuse.

By spell list enhancers, do you mean things like Mother Cyst and the various Bloodline/Heritage feats?  I can use a higher level slot to cast a lower level spell - so if I take Mother Cyst, then I can use my 4th-level slots to cast the 2nd-level spells, right?


Yep, that's basically it.

Not familiar with Knowstones.  A quick google tells me they're in a dragon magazine, but I just checked the Compendium and couldn't find them... I take it they're just things that add spells to spell lists, like the Drake-Helm?


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