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6 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2007 - 7:02PM
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Either way - if your DM is not likely to allow it either way - whether it's supported by RAW or not becomes kind of immaterial. well i said a resonable DM...mine most certainitly is not
however the part you quoted is more than enough to statisfy my curiosity on the matter.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 8:19AM
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In my Eberron game my gf is playing a half fiend (succubus mother tricked out for it with the Wizards webpage on altering half fiends) huge charisma score , otehr half human (for feats and skills.)+4 ecl She is rogue 2 (i beleivemaybe 4 for uncanny dge but dont think so) for evasion cleric5, Malconvoker 5 ,fiendbinder (ToM) 5 (if i remember correctly , i am at work and dont carry the character sheet with me lol)
she has the feat augment summon, spell focus conjuring , uhmm and others lol like true speach training and such things inlcuding demon mastery and drain demonic essence . she isnt evil , she is Chaotic neutral cleric of the dragons above, her domains are Pride and Time she uses evil against itself. she dresses generally like a catholic school girl lol and is fairly innocent despite her parentage, even if the party doesnt beleive her lol
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 11:47AM
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How about combining the Malconvoker with Nar Demonbinder? The Demonbinder gives good bonuses to binding that fit with the Malconker, I'm just not sure about the limited spell list and lack of ninth level spells.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 12:50PM
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How about combining the Malconvoker with Nar Demonbinder? The Demonbinder gives good bonuses to binding that fit with the Malconker, I'm just not sure about the limited spell list and lack of ninth level spells. I agree that the Nar Demonbinder is a perfect flavor match for the Malconvoker. Since the bonuses are unnamed - you are talking about a total +9 to CHA checks with Planar Binding as well.
However - the total gimping of spell progression is a huge price to pay. You aren't just giving up 9th level spells - you are also giving up spells known and castings/day.
Personally - I think the Nar Demonbinder is the PrC for casters not smart enough to take Malconvoker - however - you are right - it deserves special mention - I'll add it tomorrow.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 4:31PM
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I agree that the Nar Demonbinder is a perfect flavor match for the Malconvoker. Since the bonuses are unnamed - you are talking about a total +9 to CHA checks with Planar Binding as well.
However - the total gimping of spell progression is a huge price to pay. You aren't just giving up 9th level spells - you are also giving up spells known and castings/day.
Personally - I think the Nar Demonbinder is the PrC for casters not smart enough to take Malconvoker - however - you are right - it deserves special mention - I'll add it tomorrow. Also, Nar Demonbinder spells are as sorcerer spells, just a side note.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 4:58PM
#46
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Sep 18, 2005
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Another note, a wizard can give up his 5th level bonus feat for the summoning domain granted power. ACF from Complete Champion.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 9:57PM
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I have a malconvoker build, but i don't know if it's ok...
Charisma is my main stats, more turn undead, more bluff, i don't need wisdom, cause summon don't have DC,so i leave it in 16
Human Cleric of Wee Jas 5 / Malconvoker 9 / Paragnostic Apostle 1 /Thaumaturgist 5 ... after that i don't know what could go....
Domains: Trickery (allow to use bluff) Summoning (+1 caster lvl using summoning spells)
Feats: 1. Spell Focus Conjuration 1. Augment Summoning 3. Domain Spontaneity, Summoning 6. Imbued Summoning 9. Rapid Summoning* 12. Demon Mastery* 15. Don't know+ 18. Don't know+
*Which of these feats could go first???
+I was thinking about Fiendish Summoning Specialist, in the planar Handbook, but i'm not sure, and i was thinking too about cloudy Conjuration... could someone help me with that? and help me to find another prestige class.....
T_T!
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 10:13PM
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Sep 18, 2005
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I have a malconvoker build, but i don't know if it's ok...
Charisma is my main stats, more turn undead, more bluff, i don't need wisdom, cause summon don't have DC,so i leave it in 16
Human Cleric of Wee Jas 5 / Malconvoker 9 / Paragnostic Apostle 1 /Thaumaturgist 5 ... after that i don't know what could go....
Domains: Trickery (allow to use bluff) Summoning (+1 caster lvl using summoning spells)
Feats: 1. Spell Focus Conjuration 1. Augment Summoning 3. Domain Spontaneity, Summoning 6. Imbued Summoning 9. Rapid Summoning* 12. Demon Mastery* 15. Don't know+ 18. Don't know+
*Which of these feats could go first???
+I was thinking about Fiendish Summoning Specialist, in the planar Handbook, but i'm not sure, and i was thinking too about cloudy Conjuration... could someone help me with that? and help me to find another prestige class.....
T_T! Why do you need another prestige class? That's a 20 level build.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2007 - 11:22PM
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Am i wrong in thinking that Summon Undead works for the Malconvoker? It is an evil conjuration spell, that summons evil creatures. I have found that summon undead are amazing meat walls.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 12, 2007 - 6:21AM
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Nov 21, 2006
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Charisma is my main stats, more turn undead, more bluff, i don't need wisdom, cause summon don't have DC,so i leave it in 16 Makes sense - WIS and CON both need to be respectable, but not outrageously high, if that gives you room with your attribute system to focus on CHA, then absolutely.
Human Cleric of Wee Jas 5 / Malconvoker 9 / Paragnostic Apostle 1 /Thaumaturgist 5 ... after that i don't know what could go.... I'm not the person to ask about epic progression. Your first 20 levels look good.
Domains: Trickery (allow to use bluff) Summoning (+1 caster lvl using summoning spells) Perfect.
Feats: 1. Spell Focus Conjuration 1. Augment Summoning 3. Domain Spontaneity, Summoning 6. Imbued Summoning 9. Rapid Summoning* 12. Demon Mastery* 15. Don't know+ 18. Don't know+
*Which of these feats could go first??? Rapid summoning should be taken first for sure. I would find room for either Metamagic School Focus (conjuration) or Divine Metamagic (or both) to make it free to apply to SM spells.
Demon Summoning should be fine as a level 15 or 18 feat. The super-high CHA planar bindings won't be until Planar Binding, Greater anyways. The +1 caster level for summoning demons really isn't that potent.
+I was thinking about Fiendish Summoning Specialist, in the planar Handbook, but i'm not sure, and i was thinking too about cloudy Conjuration... could someone help me with that? and help me to find another prestige class..... Cloudy conjuration can work well with summoning. Consider at level 6 - summon a Dire Bat beside a foe. Use cloudy conjuration to obscure the foes square. Now since the foe is blind - the Dire Bat can now initiate a grapple (+12) without provoking an attack of opportunity - and forcing the opponent to remain in the square.
The Bat of course might be sickened as well, but won't be blind. Next turn - you can either replace the cloud with an obscuring spell - or cast different conjurations (as long as they are within 5') to keep the cloud in that square while your Bat makes mincemeat out of the opponent.
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