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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 11:22AM
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EDIT:I've been ninja-ed!
The other route is to use Stoneblessed to count as a gnome for class requirements. The basic structure would be Bard 7/Gnome Stoneblessed 3/Sublime Chord 5/Shadowcraft Mage 5. You end up with full Sublime Chord casting, so you're epic ready and can be mimicking 9th level spells by 17th level.
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 12:00PM
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EDIT:I've been ninja-ed!
Bard 7/Gnome Stoneblessed 3/Sublime Chord 5/Shadowcraft Mage 5.[/quote]
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Bard 4/ Mindbender 1/ Gnome Paragon 3/ Shadow adept 1/ Shadowcrafter 1/ Sublime Chord 1/ Shadowcraft mage 5/ Shadowcrafter 1
I also like arcane thesis very much for a shdowcraft mage, since your most importent spell is silent image, esspecially when used in combination with incantatrix.
Beestje
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 12:03PM
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Is there a reason why you went with a gnome? It seems to me that the +1 to illusion spells can be offset by a grey elves +2 int, and it adds the +1 dc to all spells. Is it because Gnomes are small?
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 12:10PM
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Actually, it's because being a Gnome is a prerequisite for the Shadowcraft Mage. That's about it really. And I second the usefulness of Arcane Thesis, especially on a Beguiler base. Free Silent and Still Metamagic on Silent Image can work wonders. Of course, this is assuming that there is space 
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 12:38PM
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Jun 22, 2003
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or:
Bard 4/ Mindbender 1/ Gnome Paragon 3/ Shadow adept 1/ Shadowcrafter 1/ Sublime Chord 1/ Shadowcraft mage 5/ Shadowcrafter 1 [/quote]
Well, I did say it was the basic structure [i]for other races. 
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 7:26PM
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Jan 23, 2004
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And I second the usefulness of Arcane Thesis, especially on a Beguiler base. Free Silent and Still Metamagic on Silent Image can work wonders. Of course, this is assuming that there is space
Aren't all illusion spells cast by a shadowcraft mage already silenced for free? So its basically only still spell for free if you get arcane thesis. That and +2 caster level, which is nice.
prototype00
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7 years ago ::
Jun 19, 2006 - 9:23PM
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Jan 23, 2004
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The only DC that suffers is that of spells heightened to 10th level (via Earth Spell). Everything else has a higher DC and can be used with higher level spells and with slightly higher quasireality.
So for example, shadowcraft gnome G wants to create an 8th level evocation effect, say, polar ray.
With practical metamagic and earth spell, he can heighten a silent image up to 9th level in a 7th level slot and basically produce the 9th level silent image required to produce the effect.
DC= 19 (9th level spell) + SF + GSF + int mod and misc.
Not being a gnome (he's actually a dragonborn), he doesn't have the +1 to illusion spell save DCs
However with earth spell only, D the gnome can cast the same spell in an 8th level slot (one higher than gnome G) and get
DC = 19 (9th level spell) +SF + GSF + 1 (gnome) + int mod +misc
So for the same spell effect, wouldn't the regular gnome get a slightly higher spell save DC (thanks to the bonus) but the dragonborn or bahamut would be able to prepare it in a lower spell slot?
Or am I missing something here?
prototype00
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7 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2006 - 3:55AM
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Oct 15, 2005
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Here's another way of getting spells onto your spell list:
Changling Wizard 10/Shadowcraft Mage 5/Recaster 5.
Feats: PrC Prereqs, Racial Emulation.
As I read it, Racial Emulation allows you to qualify as a Gnome for Shadowcraft Mage. The Recaster levels MUST be taken last to gain the full effect. This method allows you to add one level 8 and one level 7 spell to your Sorc/Wiz spell list, and thus allow them to be Shadow Illusioned if they are of the correct School. These spells can be taken from ANY list.
Note: Wiz 11/SCM 5/Recaster 4 allows two level 8 spells, at the cost of Metamorphic Spell(space). Alternatively, if Improved Spell Capacity is taken, then Recaster is taken in Epic levels, one can add level 9 spells to their list.
EDIT:
Whisper Gnome Beguiler 7/Rogue 1/Nightsong Enforcer 1/Arcane Trickster 6/Shadowcraft Mage 5 in the following order:
Beguiler 1-6/Rogue 1/Nightsong Enforcer 1/Arcane Trickster 1-3/Beguiler 7/Shadowcraft Mage 5/Arcane Trickster 4-6
This is a rather stealthy rogue-mage build. You need to take the Spell Hand feat from CArc to qualify for Arcane Trickster. Improved Feint is also a good choice, as you can do a Swift Action feint via the Beguiler ability should you take it. Improved Initiative and Spell Focus(Illusion) are also needed for Prereqs. Gets atleast 4+Int Skill Points per level, and has BAB+9, which is only one behind a wizard of the same level. It also has 5d6 SA and has 18th level Beguiler casting.
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7 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2006 - 6:56AM
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Doesn't Dragonborn of Bahamut say specifically that you lose all the abilities of any Prestige Class that you previously had that you no longer qualify for, except HD, HP, Saves, and BAB? Doesn't seem very efficient for Practical Metamagic qualification.
Can we have a few suggested feat progressions for:
Wiz 5 (1-5)/ ScM 5 (8-12)/ Inc 10 (6-7, 13-20) and the other ones?
would it look like:
1 Iron Will
3 Sp Foci: Illusion
5 Heighten Spell
6 Arcane Thesis, Earth Sense
9 Gr Sp Foci: Illusion
12 Earth Spell
15 & 18 either the penetration feats, or the concentration feats
+ 2 free metamagics from incanatrix (extend & maximize or quicken?)
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7 years ago ::
Jun 20, 2006 - 8:06AM
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Jan 23, 2004
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Doesn't Dragonborn of Bahamut say specifically that you lose all the abilities of any Prestige Class that you previously had that you no longer qualify for, except HD, HP, Saves, and BAB? Doesn't seem very efficient for Practical Metamagic qualification.
You remain a gnome for all purposes requiring you to be a gnome. So you don't disqualify yourself from the shadowcraft mage PrC. You just lose the +1 to illusion spell save DCs and all your racial abilities.
prototype00
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