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6 years ago  ::  Mar 07, 2007 - 7:09PM #61
jameswilliamogle
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2005
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Richmud wrote:

New vestiges in the cityscape web enhancement

Take a look here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a


First thoughts: OMG PWNZERZ!Q!!!Whoa!!!

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Astaroth: Angelic Lore, Asaroth's Breath, Honeyed Toungue, Master Craftsman, Word of Azaroth

So now the Binder can act as a cheapened version of an item creating Warlock, needing to pay for the casting of spells (or using Karsus and a spell trigger item), and can make items. Honeyed Toungue?! as if the binder NEEDED another diplomacy and bluff boost... Bardic Knowledge is always good, and Suggestions on 2-3 people are great! Cone effect nauseation for a round is great, but doesn't seem as powerful as the other abilities.

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Desharis: City Dweller, Infinite Doors, Language of the City, Smite Natural Soul, Spirits of the City

So, Infinite Doors seems awesome for any urban game: bad guys ambush you, and things go bad, no prob. Combine w/ Flicker from Tenebrous, and you can get nearly anwhere you want: Flicker to get to a door, and pop in front of the town guard, for example. Toungues among humanoids is meh, since agares gives you a better version. City Dweller gives you +6 Kn: Local and Gather Info, but it doesn't specify which Kn: Local: combine w/ Naberius, as one of the combos in the main section, and take Kn:Local for any region you ever want to visit (including other planes!). BUT....

Animate Objects at your EBL? That's... just... wicked...

yeah, definitely, there's gonna be some combos w/ these... I'll add them to the main page, poste haste.



How bout this for a combo: Desharis, Halphax, Haures, Zagan: Emulates Animate Objects, Antipathy, Phantasmal Killer, Imprisonment, Major Illusion. Also gets you Improved Grapple, and this doesn't limit what other abilities you can use. Talk about battlefield control!

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 12, 2007 - 1:21PM #62
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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Wow. With magic like that, you wouldn't even have to deal damage. You could just confuse your enemies until their heads exploded.
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6 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2007 - 6:55AM #63
zombiegleemax
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wow, the posts have really picked up and with good insights also. My DM changed his mind and is now not letting me play the Anthropomorphic Ape so I'm thinking of going Human but not sure if I should drop the two level dip in Swordsage given I won't have great wisdom.
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6 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2007 - 9:06AM #64
jameswilliamogle
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2005
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Siby wrote:

wow, the posts have really picked up and with good insights also. My DM changed his mind and is now not letting me play the Anthropomorphic Ape so I'm thinking of going Human but not sure if I should drop the two level dip in Swordsage given I won't have great wisdom.


I'd say build a human "generalist" binder, since you can't go min-max on the dex this way. This would entail Imp. Binding (hopefully, retraining will be allowed), Weapon Focus: (probably morningstar), and getting into KotSS soon (or waiting until 10th for Chupoclops). You still get to do a lot w/ a straight binder. See if your DM would allow you some XP past 6th so you could make some items w/ the new vestige Astaroth before campaign comencement.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 14, 2007 - 6:02PM #65
jameswilliamogle
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Well, the new Item Creation ability of Astaroth was bothering me...

me]For Astaroth (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a), how does the Binder use the item creation ability if he doesn't have the requisite caster level? Was his Binder Level meant to qualify as caster level, or is he required to get a spellcaster of significantly high caster level to cast the spell for item creation?

Although I see under item creation that for most items a different caster can produce the spell, I don't see where it says that the "other" spellcaster can also "donate" his caster level for item creation. Could you give an example about how a Binder would use the ability, because I'm fairly confused about it?[/quote wrote:

For Astaroth (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070307a), how does the Binder use the item creation ability if he doesn't have the requisite caster level? Was his Binder Level meant to qualify as caster level, or is he required to get a spellcaster of significantly high caster level to cast the spell for item creation?

Although I see under item creation that for most items a different caster can produce the spell, I don't see where it says that the "other" spellcaster can also "donate" his caster level for item creation. Could you give an example about how a Binder would use the ability, because I'm fairly confused about it?


CustServ]Hello James,

Unfortunately there is no information to answer this for us. It will be up to the Dungeon Master to adjudicate it as he sees fair and fit.

Good Luck and Game On!


Wha?! So, there's no way to know how it was supposed t wrote:

Hello James,

Unfortunately there is no information to answer this for us. It will be up to the Dungeon Master to adjudicate it as he sees fair and fit.

Good Luck and Game On![/quote]
Wha?! So, there's no way to know how it was supposed to work?

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2007 - 5:33AM #66
zombiegleemax
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Astaroth (Cityscape Web Enhancement) - Angelic Lore, [bold]Asaroth's[/bold] Breath, Honeyed [bold]Toungue[/bold], Master Craftsman, Word of [bold]Azaroth[/bold]


[bold]Text in bold[/bold]:
Is it supposed to be "Asaroth" or Astaroth?
"Toungue" is misspelled.
Is it supposed to be "Azaroth" or Astaroth?

Trying to help in what little way I can.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2007 - 1:28PM #67
jameswilliamogle
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Thx.

Updated the first posts: they are now colorful.

Also, added a handful of combos, and categorized the existing combos w/ 2-3 word descriptions of what the point of the combo was.
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6 years ago  ::  Mar 15, 2007 - 1:44PM #68
Momar
Date Joined: Jul 18, 2006
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Am I the only one who thought of Scooby Doo when reading Infinite Doors?
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6 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2007 - 7:59AM #69
jameswilliamogle
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Momar wrote:

Am I the only one who thought of Scooby Doo when reading Infinite Doors?


Yes. Yes you are. Which would be funny, except that its only once per day.

I wonder if you could animate a door, permanantly, then have it follow you around, for always being able to use the ability? Kind of Dr. Who-ish...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 17, 2007 - 6:32PM #70
Richmud
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jameswilliamogle wrote:

I wonder if you could animate a door, permanantly, then have it follow you around, for always being able to use the ability? Kind of Dr. Who-ish...


It specifically says the door must be attached to a building, so you would need to animate a whole building (maybe a small shed would work {and be even more Dr. who-ish when you paint it blue})

I haven't lost my mind I've simply misplaced it
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