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Ed-Zero wrote:

From T_G's binder thread, I think it's (the 2nd combo that is, the first one is just handy) a useful combo to take out a monster or two permanently without any fuss.

Trick #1:Use Ethereal Watcher: [Chupoclops] & Move Ally: [Savnok] (at 13th level) to move your ally into the Ethereal plane as a swift action (not booting you out) so he can sit there and rest. Move yourself there with "Fast healing: [Balam] Based on level, maxes out at Fast healing 5 at 19th level" and heal up so no one can hurt you.

Trick #2: How about charming a monster you don't like and making it your ally with your half-elf bard diplomancer cohort (or some other way..) and send the monster to the Ethereal plane forever? This could be accomplished with "Animal Friend: [Eurynome] All animals automatically friendly with you" so you can dispose of animal monsters chasing you down (that dinosaur causing you trouble? ). Just found this, but it seems like you can use this "Command or Suggestion: [Naberius] Command within 30 ft or suggestion (if BL >= 14) . 1/ 5 rnds." to make a enemy your friend, command him to get naked (don't want to lose his loot after all) and then teleport to the Ethereal plane and switch places with him.

Trick 2 is great; trick 1 is, well, tricky. According to Savnok's text your ally has to be visible; if he becomes ethereal, he isn't. The soulsense ability won't work to swap w/ him w/o DM fiat. Even if you go ethereal, you still can't see him afterwards. Its a reasonable house rule to allow it, though.

me]3 Questions on the Binder:

1. Since Knight of the Sacred Seal lose all Su abilities if they don't bind their patron vestige, after 5th level, does this mean the Binder could potentially change type from whatever type they were to outsider and back if they expelled their patron vestige?

2. This may be a silly question, but can a Binder take Knight of the Sacred Seal twice, choosing another patron vestige, and gaining the abilities more than once (although they are redundant, except the BAB and saves)?

3. Can a binder bind the same Vestige more than once? I've scoured the book multiple times, and can't find any text that even suggests they can't. If they could, they'd get more frequent use of the 1/5 round abilities, which would seem to be the main advantage.

Here's another one:
4. Ipos's Planar Attenuation ability is particularly vague in effect. If I used the ability to gain protection from the Plane of Fire, would I gain Fire Resitance of some sort? If I picked the Plane of Shadow, would I gain resistance to Shadow spells? What exactly does the ability grant?[/quote wrote:

3 Questions on the Binder:

1. Since Knight of the Sacred Seal lose all Su abilities if they don't bind their patron vestige, after 5th level, does this mean the Binder could potentially change type from whatever type they were to outsider and back if they expelled their patron vestige?

2. This may be a silly question, but can a Binder take Knight of the Sacred Seal twice, choosing another patron vestige, and gaining the abilities more than once (although they are redundant, except the BAB and saves)?

3. Can a binder bind the same Vestige more than once? I've scoured the book multiple times, and can't find any text that even suggests they can't. If they could, they'd get more frequent use of the 1/5 round abilities, which would seem to be the main advantage.

Here's another one:
4. Ipos's Planar Attenuation ability is particularly vague in effect. If I used the ability to gain protection from the Plane of Fire, would I gain Fire Resitance of some sort? If I picked the Plane of Shadow, would I gain resistance to Shadow spells? What exactly does the ability grant?

Sam S, CustServ]1. They are their normal type when their patron vestige is not bound, and they are an outsider when it is bound.

2. No they cannot.

3. No they cannot.

4. Different planes can have natural aspects that affect travelers to those planes. You can see some of these in the DMG v.3.5 in the descriptions of those planes. Now if you happen to be on a certain plane, you are not harmed by that plane's natural temperatures, toxic atmospheres, or harmful side effects, but you are not protected from dangers that are not part of the plane's nature itself. For instance, if you were on the Plane of Fire, you do not suffer from the plane's side effects while there. Fire from other threats could still harm you, but the plane itself couldn't hurt you.[/quote wrote:

1. They are their normal type when their patron vestige is not bound, and they are an outsider when it is bound.

2. No they cannot.

3. No they cannot.

4. Different planes can have natural aspects that affect travelers to those planes. You can see some of these in the DMG v.3.5 in the descriptions of those planes. Now if you happen to be on a certain plane, you are not harmed by that plane's natural temperatures, toxic atmospheres, or harmful side effects, but you are not protected from dangers that are not part of the plane's nature itself. For instance, if you were on the Plane of Fire, you do not suffer from the plane's side effects while there. Fire from other threats could still harm you, but the plane itself couldn't hurt you.

me]Thanks for the info! I was curious about 3, though: why can't they bind more than 1 vestige at a time? I've got a Binder in one of my games that's about to hit 8th, and wanted to Bind Amon twice for more frequent breath attacks.[/quote wrote:

Thanks for the info! I was curious about 3, though: why can't they bind more than 1 vestige at a time? I've got a Binder in one of my games that's about to hit 8th, and wanted to Bind Amon twice for more frequent breath attacks.

Sam S, CustServ]Once the vestige is bound, it is bound. There is nothing in the rules that allow you to double bind a vestige.

Not very satisfying, to me. It says you can bind "a" vestige... that doesn't exclude the same one twice. Oh wrote: