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4 years ago  ::  May 28, 2009 - 6:52PM #201
pithica
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2008
Posts: 1,590
Minor correction. The devotion feats and the rules for trading domains out for them are in Complete Champion, not Book of Exalted Deeds.
--bleh
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4 years ago  ::  May 28, 2009 - 9:56PM #202
sarge0810
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2008
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thanks to both weezel and pithica

i had both completely missed the domains bonus's and could not for the life of me find the devotion feats in the book of exalted deeds
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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 12:18AM #203
curufin
Date Joined: Aug 31, 2007
Posts: 98
SEXY SALLY AND HER DRAGON HORDE

Presenting our lovely Miss Sally (Pixie Wizard 2/Paragnostic Apostle 3/Zhent Skymage 5/War Weaver 5/Dragonslayer 1/Loremaster 1)
(one level of LA buyoff)

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Ability scores (32pt)
S 12 (4pts) -4 = 8
D 12 (4pts) +8 = 20
C 14 (6pts) = 14
I 16 (10pts) +6 = 22 --> 26
W 10 (2pts) +4 = 14
Ch 14 (6pts) +6 = 20

Ability boosts: L4: Int +1; L8: Int +1; L12: +1; L16: Int +1


Levels, Feats, and class abilities: Show

L1: Wizard -Dodge, Weapon Finesse (pixie feats), Scribe Scroll (wizard feat), Combat Casting (level), Iron Will, Mounted Combat (flaws)
L2: Wizard
L3: Paragnostic Apostle – Feat?; holy texts, lore, knowledge (energy supremacy, fire)
L4: Paragnostic Apostle - Knowledge (call of worlds)
L5: Paragnostic Apostle - Knowledge (discern weakness, dragons)
L6: Skymage - Leadership; flying mount
L7: Skymage - Craft Wand, Flyby Attack
L8: Skymage - Spell Focus (evocation)
L9: Skymage - Skill Focus (Knowledge [arcana]), Mounted Archery, Dragon Familiar
L10: Skymage - Enlarge Spell
L11: Weaver - tapestry
L12: Weaver - Dragon Cohort
L13: Weaver
L14: Weaver
L15: Weaver – Improved Cohort; enlarged tapestry, quiescent weaving 4
L16: Dragonslayer - aura of courage, damage bonus
L17: Loremaster - feat? (from class secret)
Build still has two feats to spend.


Flying mount: Faerie dragon (of course), advanced 11HD medium sized. #1
Dragon familiar: wyrmling gold dragon #2
Dragon cohort: young silver dragon #3
Improved cohort: great wyrm dragonwrought kobold cleric build level 16, with Leadership for his own cohort. rides the silver dragon. #4
Cohort's cohort: great wyrm dragonwrought kobold bard/weaver/sublime chord build of level 14. gives us a second weave and dragonfire inspiration. rides the gold dragon. #5

Death comes in small packages riding medium sized mounts.
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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 2:31AM #204
carnivore
Date Joined: May 11, 2004
Posts: 3,307
very nice... quick question ....

what are the entry Reqs for Paragnostic Apostle?

also you need Iron Will for both Dragonslayer and Zhentarim Skymage.... but just get it with the legendary location Otyugh Hole(3000gp value) ... thus you wont have to spend the feat.

you also need Skill Focus (Knowledge(any)) for Loremaster


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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 2:45AM #205
curufin
Date Joined: Aug 31, 2007
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For Paragnostic Apostle:
Entry Requirements
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 5 ranks, Knowledge (any other) 5 ranks.
Spellcasting: Able to cast 3rd-level spells or use spell-like abilities of equivalent level.
Special: Must be a member of the Paragnostic Assembly.

This is one of those nice classes that actually lets you qualify with spell-like abilities. Our dispel magic ability takes care of that.

you also need Skill Focus (Knowledge(any)) for Loremaster


Skymage gets Skill Focus as a bonus feat. I had meant to put this to one of the knowledge skills and at some point I changed it to Spellcraft. Will change that back. Thank you

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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 3:03AM #206
carnivore
Date Joined: May 11, 2004
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Awesome catch with Paragnostic Apostle ... that is going in all of my Pixie builds now


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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 3:21AM #207
curufin
Date Joined: Aug 31, 2007
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This is a list of the prestige classes that can use spell-like ability prereqs. (At least a list of the classes that I have found so far.)

Acolyte of the Skin (5th level caster)
Blood Magus (5th level caster) - pixie can get into this at 2nd level
Enlightened Fist (3rd level caster)
Green Star Adept (1st level arcane caster)
Mindbender (5th level arcane caster)
Paragnostic Apostle (3rd level spells as spell-like ability)
Primal Scholar (7th level caster)

Pixie spell-like abilities meets all of these reqs.
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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 3:35AM #208
carnivore
Date Joined: May 11, 2004
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good idea.... i never thought about using the Spell-like abilities to qualify for PrCs....

Primal Scholar is from Secrets of Xendrick right?

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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 6:04AM #209
risner
Date Joined: Feb 2, 2006
Posts: 1,878

curufin wrote:

Green Star Adept (1st level arcane caster)
Mindbender (5th level arcane caster)

Pixie spell-like abilities meets all of these reqs.


Any of them that says "arcane caster level", wouldn't be able to use a Spell Like ability to qualify.

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4 years ago  ::  May 29, 2009 - 8:10AM #210
Emy
Date Joined: May 1, 2008
Posts: 375

risner wrote:

Any of them that says "arcane caster level", wouldn't be able to use a Spell Like ability to qualify.


Hey, cool. I can use part of a post I'm making for another thread, and it'll even be relevant.

Complete Arcane pg71]For feats or prestige classes requiring a minimum caster level, creatures that use spell-like abilities or invocations instead of spells use either their fixed caster level or their class level to determine qualification.


"Arcane caster level"s are a subset of "caster level", therefore this sentence applies to things that require an arcane caster level. It certainly qualifies. (If it doesn't, then Warlocks or other SLA users don't qualify for Mindbender, which they are definitely supposed to be allowed into.)

The word "instead" might cause problems (since it could be argued to exclude anyone with any spellcasting capability) wrote:

For feats or prestige classes requiring a minimum caster level, creatures that use spell-like abilities or invocations instead of spells use either their fixed caster level or their class level to determine qualification.[/quote]
"Arcane caster level"s are a subset of "caster level", therefore this sentence applies to things that require an arcane caster level. It certainly qualifies. (If it doesn't, then Warlocks or other SLA users don't qualify for Mindbender, which they are definitely supposed to be allowed into.)

The word "instead" might cause problems (since it could be argued to exclude anyone with any spellcasting capability); however, if the character in question ever used an SLA when they could have used a spell, then they have just used a spell-like ability instead of a spell. It's a somewhat poor argument, but it's necessary due to the unfortunate word selection in Complete Arcane.

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