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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 10:53AM #51
Khan_the_Destroyer
Date Joined: Apr 4, 2004
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jedrious]Extaminaar Divine Minion of Nephtyhs
Wildshape Ranger 1 Alertness Track
Wildshape Ranger 2
Wildshape Ranger 3 Endurance Assume Supernatural Ability (Manipulate Form)
Wildshape Ranger 4
Wildshape Ranger 5
Master of Many Forms 1 Improved Assume Supernatural Ability (Manipulate Form)
Master of Many Forms 2
Master of Many Forms 3


What is a Divine Minion? And where is Assume Supernatural Form and Improved Assume Supernatural Form wrote:

Extaminaar Divine Minion of Nephtyhs
Wildshape Ranger 1 Alertness Track
Wildshape Ranger 2
Wildshape Ranger 3 Endurance Assume Supernatural Ability (Manipulate Form)
Wildshape Ranger 4
Wildshape Ranger 5
Master of Many Forms 1 Improved Assume Supernatural Ability (Manipulate Form)
Master of Many Forms 2
Master of Many Forms 3[/quote]
What is a Divine Minion? And where is Assume Supernatural Form and Improved Assume Supernatural Form?

Caelic]How many hit dice does a Sarrukh have, again?


They have 14 HD wrote:

How many hit dice does a Sarrukh have, again?[/quote]
They have 14 HD.

jameswilliamogle]since the rate of cancer mage increasing str is less than the kobold's, given any fixed amount of time for them to advance, and the kobold is going to beat him out.


I guess it depends. If the Kobold and the Cancer Mage both started out at level 1 in the same party, the Cancer Mage gets his loop off first, and has all of the time between level 3 and level 12 to increase his strength. But at level 12, I don't think it will take long for the kobold to catch up and surpass the Cancer Mage wrote:

since the rate of cancer mage increasing str is less than the kobold's, given any fixed amount of time for them to advance, and the kobold is going to beat him out.[/quote]
I guess it depends. If the Kobold and the Cancer Mage both started out at level 1 in the same party, the Cancer Mage gets his loop off first, and has all of the time between level 3 and level 12 to increase his strength. But at level 12, I don't think it will take long for the kobold to catch up and surpass the Cancer Mage.

Rogue Newb]Thanks to Khan I may never play D&D again, just th thought that in a game I may run into Pun-Pun makes me sad on the inside.


If you run into Pun-pun in one of your games, thank your sadistic DM, not me wrote:

Thanks to Khan I may never play D&D again, just th thought that in a game I may run into Pun-Pun makes me sad on the inside.[/quote]
If you run into Pun-pun in one of your games, thank your sadistic DM, not me .

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 12:13PM #52
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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Khan the Destroyer]What is a Divine Minion? And where is Assume Supernatural Form and Improved Assume Supernatural Form?


Assume Su Ability is in Savage Species. Divine Minion is here

Oh, and I like the idea of including the uber builds as legends in a campaign setting. It leaves open the possibility of bringing them in at epic levels, which could be a fun challenge for the players. Of course, even at epic levels, they may be too much for a direct conforntation, which leads to the introduction of tactics for destruction similar to those used to destroy artifacts - or it might be a good opportunity to introduce ancient artifacts with anti-min/max wrote:

What is a Divine Minion? And where is Assume Supernatural Form and Improved Assume Supernatural Form?[/quote]
Assume Su Ability is in Savage Species. Divine Minion is here

Oh, and I like the idea of including the uber builds as legends in a campaign setting. It leaves open the possibility of bringing them in at epic levels, which could be a fun challenge for the players. Of course, even at epic levels, they may be too much for a direct conforntation, which leads to the introduction of tactics for destruction similar to those used to destroy artifacts - or it might be a good opportunity to introduce ancient artifacts with anti-min/max powers.

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 1:59PM #53
jameswilliamogle
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2005
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Khan the Destroyer]I guess it depends. If the Kobold and the Cancer Mage both started out at level 1 in the same party, the Cancer Mage gets his loop off first, and has all of the time between level 3 and level 12 to increase his strength. But at level 12, I don't think it will take long for the kobold to catch up and surpass the Cancer Mage.


given any FIXED amount of time for the cancer mage to develop at 2 str a day, the kobold will always surpass him at some later point. In 1 day, the kobold gains at a rate of 27 years what the cancer mage gains. The cancer mage better commit genocide on all the scaled-ones before they get past level 11 or else he's screwed... For that matter, he'd better kill every living thing on the planet before it hits level 11... Actually, he'd better destroy every Shapechange scroll, wrote:

I guess it depends. If the Kobold and the Cancer Mage both started out at level 1 in the same party, the Cancer Mage gets his loop off first, and has all of the time between level 3 and level 12 to increase his strength. But at level 12, I don't think it will take long for the kobold to catch up and surpass the Cancer Mage.[/quote]
given any FIXED amount of time for the cancer mage to develop at 2 str a day, the kobold will always surpass him at some later point. In 1 day, the kobold gains at a rate of 27 years what the cancer mage gains. The cancer mage better commit genocide on all the scaled-ones before they get past level 11 or else he's screwed... For that matter, he'd better kill every living thing on the planet before it hits level 11... Actually, he'd better destroy every Shapechange scroll, too...

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 2:41PM #54
horse
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2003
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Khan the Destroyer]Each time Pun-pun grows to Colossal, he gains a +36 size bonus to strength. He then increases his psicrystal's strength score to match his own. Pun-pun then reverts to normal size, and increases his psicrystal's size to Colossal. His psicrystal's already impressive strength increases due to the size increase, and it transfers this new, higher strength score to Pun-pun. The transfers to strength are permanent, but they can continue doing it.


k, so i don't know the first thing about psionics & all that stuff, however, i do know something about size bonuses.....they come from size.

wouldn't he lose all his size bonus when he reverts back to normal kobold form?

also, something about bonuses in general.....there's a reason why there are so many different types of bonuses. it's called "stacking". you see, you can stack enhancement bonuses & size bonuses & competence bonuses together. however, if you have two different enhancement bonuses, such as a bull's strength(+4 str) & a belt of giant strength +6(+6 str), you end up with a total of +6 str because rather than stacking, you just take the bigger of the two. the same thing applies to all types of bonuses. including size bonuses. now, i'm not gonna sit here & do the math, but i'd bet my last dollar that you can't get +20,000 to your st wrote:

Each time Pun-pun grows to Colossal, he gains a +36 size bonus to strength. He then increases his psicrystal's strength score to match his own. Pun-pun then reverts to normal size, and increases his psicrystal's size to Colossal. His psicrystal's already impressive strength increases due to the size increase, and it transfers this new, higher strength score to Pun-pun. The transfers to strength are permanent, but they can continue doing it.[/quote]
k, so i don't know the first thing about psionics & all that stuff, however, i do know something about size bonuses.....they come from size.

wouldn't he lose all his size bonus when he reverts back to normal kobold form?

also, something about bonuses in general.....there's a reason why there are so many different types of bonuses. it's called "stacking". you see, you can stack enhancement bonuses & size bonuses & competence bonuses together. however, if you have two different enhancement bonuses, such as a bull's strength(+4 str) & a belt of giant strength +6(+6 str), you end up with a total of +6 str because rather than stacking, you just take the bigger of the two. the same thing applies to all types of bonuses. including size bonuses. now, i'm not gonna sit here & do the math, but i'd bet my last dollar that you can't get +20,000 to your strength.

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 2:56PM #55
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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That's nice, horse, but completely irrelevant. All the information you need is right there in the text you quoted. He gives his psicrystal a new ability score. He doesn't just give the psicrystal a bonus to an ability score. Then the psicrystal gets a bonus and gives its new, higher ability score to Pun-pun. Once again, this isn't a bonus to Pun-pun's ability score, it's a permanent change to it.

Can I have your dollar? (Edit: Of course, it should really go to Khan.)
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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 3:29PM #56
neilthrun
Date Joined: Oct 30, 2004
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Yeah but I bet it cant throw the world!!!! Oh wait... it can. I think the first thing I would do after 12th level, and getting the appropriate stats(20000 seems plenty), would be to take some hulking hurler levels.
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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 3:35PM #57
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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neilthrun]Yeah but I bet it cant throw the world!!!! Oh wait... it can. I think the first thing I would do after 12th level, and getting the appropriate stats(20000 seems plenty), would be to take some hulking hurler levels.


Why takes levels in the class when he can simply apply Manipulate Form to grant himself the class abi wrote:

Yeah but I bet it cant throw the world!!!! Oh wait... it can. I think the first thing I would do after 12th level, and getting the appropriate stats(20000 seems plenty), would be to take some hulking hurler levels.[/quote]
Why takes levels in the class when he can simply apply Manipulate Form to grant himself the class abilities?

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 3:51PM #58
horse
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2003
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this is why i don't allow psionics when i DM lol.......
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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 7:04PM #59
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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Erudite]Khan, congratulations. I want to cry. Or play a Fighter 20. CO after this seems, so, pointless. Damn, dirty kobolds.



That's my sentiment. I feel like giving up - and I haven't even gotten started yet!
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Khan, congratulations. I want to cry. Or play a Fighter 20. CO after this seems, so, pointless. Damn, dirty kobolds.


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That's my sentiment. I feel like giving up - and I haven't even gotten started yet!

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8 years ago  ::  Aug 28, 2005 - 7:18PM #60
zombiegleemax
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2009
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Caelic]since Pun-Pun is a deity, any abilities he grants himself CANNOT be duplicated by the Ethereal Doppelganger, which puts the kibosh on one of my favorite Artificer tricks.


Ummm, question wrote:

since Pun-Pun is a deity, any abilities he grants himself CANNOT be duplicated by the Ethereal Doppelganger, which puts the kibosh on one of my favorite Artificer tricks.[/quote]
Ummm, question; Why is Pun-Pun a diety? By virtue of his abilities? I don't have dieties and demigods, is the explanation in there?

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