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1 year ago ::
Feb 07, 2012 - 11:44PM
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Oh yeah, the Gareth's party also took out Orcus in his own lair, in addition to taking out Tiamat and the Witch-King...so they are essentially the equivalent to a 4E party of 30th Level PCs. They've taken on and beaten Deities in the Level 30+ range. Even gaining a couple of levels post-Spell Plague, neither Drizzt nor Artemis are still really in their league.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:29PM
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Oh yeah, the Gareth's party also took out Orcus in his own lair, in addition to taking out Tiamat and the Witch-King...so they are essentially the equivalent to a 4E party of 30th Level PCs. They've taken on and beaten Deities in the Level 30+ range. Even gaining a couple of levels post-Spell Plague, neither Drizzt nor Artemis are still really in their league.
I would definetly agree. Drizzt is seen as the greatest swordsman in the Realms...I just don't know, who do we have to compare him too? Would he be the best in the Realms had he stayed in the Underdark? Maybe Bob is trying to establish that by having travel to different locales.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:41PM
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Oh yeah, the Gareth's party also took out Orcus in his own lair, in addition to taking out Tiamat and the Witch-King...so they are essentially the equivalent to a 4E party of 30th Level PCs. They've taken on and beaten Deities in the Level 30+ range. Even gaining a couple of levels post-Spell Plague, neither Drizzt nor Artemis are still really in their league.
I would definetly agree. Drizzt is seen as the greatest swordsman in the Realms...I just don't know, who do we have to compare him too? Would he be the best in the Realms had he stayed in the Underdark? Maybe Bob is trying to establish that by having travel to different locales.
Entreri took out one of Gareth's party one of the Rangers i believe.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:42PM
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Drizzt has never gone on any epic level adventures so he's never been exposed to the challenge. It's like the saying, steel sharpens steel (the whole premise of Dragonball Z--get beat up, come back stronger). Drizzt (and Artemis) essentially have been fighting bums most of their career. His most powerful opponents were high 20 level Elites. He's never fought/defeated Level 30+ Solo opponents, or gone into adventures where he would be faced with that kind of challenge.
He's a prodigy and I'm sure if he had been in Gareth's party or a got thrown into the middle of a major struggle between Greater Deities during the Time of Troubles he would be a high epic solo character...
But in reality all of Salvatore's adventures involving have been heroic/paragon-level. Drizzt and Artemis and Jarlaxle stand out because they are the equivalent of NBA stars playing in the D-League, but they aren't at superstar/mvp level and never will be because they haven't tasted what high level competition is and as a result can't improve themselves.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:46PM
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Oh yeah, the Gareth's party also took out Orcus in his own lair, in addition to taking out Tiamat and the Witch-King...so they are essentially the equivalent to a 4E party of 30th Level PCs. They've taken on and beaten Deities in the Level 30+ range. Even gaining a couple of levels post-Spell Plague, neither Drizzt nor Artemis are still really in their league.
I would definetly agree. Drizzt is seen as the greatest swordsman in the Realms...I just don't know, who do we have to compare him too? Would he be the best in the Realms had he stayed in the Underdark? Maybe Bob is trying to establish that by having travel to different locales.
Entreri took out one of Gareth's party one of the Rangers i believe.
Wasn't he losing to Olwen then won by some kind of fluke? I gotta go back and read that again.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:50PM
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Drizzt has never gone on any epic level adventures so he's never been exposed to the challenge. It's like the saying, steel sharpens steel (the whole premise of Dragonball Z--get beat up, come back stronger). Drizzt (and Artemis) essentially have been fighting bums most of their career. His most powerful opponents were high 20 level Elites. He's never fought/defeated Level 30+ Solo opponents, or gone into adventures where he would be faced with that kind of challenge.
He's a prodigy and I'm sure if he had been in Gareth's party or a got thrown into the middle of a major struggle between Greater Deities during the Time of Troubles he would be a high epic solo character...
But in reality all of Salvatore's adventures involving have been heroic/paragon-level. Drizzt and Artemis and Jarlaxle stand out because they are the equivalent of NBA stars playing in the D-League, but they aren't at superstar/mvp level and never will be because they haven't tasted what high level competition is and as a result can't improve themselves.
Exactly, I believe that is what Bob is doing, moving Drizzt and his remaining characters into that realmspace. The latest book has them going against a Primordial, Szass Tam and Dreed Rings. You really don't think that these characters can be in an epic adventure? Thats a really intresting point of view. I would like to see GM Kane and Gareth's party in 4E or atleast the right up.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 08, 2012 - 3:51PM
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Oh yeah, the Gareth's party also took out Orcus in his own lair, in addition to taking out Tiamat and the Witch-King...so they are essentially the equivalent to a 4E party of 30th Level PCs. They've taken on and beaten Deities in the Level 30+ range. Even gaining a couple of levels post-Spell Plague, neither Drizzt nor Artemis are still really in their league.
I would definetly agree. Drizzt is seen as the greatest swordsman in the Realms...I just don't know, who do we have to compare him too? Would he be the best in the Realms had he stayed in the Underdark? Maybe Bob is trying to establish that by having travel to different locales.
Entreri took out one of Gareth's party one of the Rangers i believe.
Wasn't he losing to Olwen then won by some kind of fluke? I gotta go back and read that again.
He had to use his thief skills to win the battle and of course Sharon's Claw.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 10, 2012 - 3:36PM
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Looking up their stats, Kane was a Level 20 Monk, Gareth was a Level 25 Paladin, the rest were unknown. I think back in 3E A Red Dragon was only cr25, rather than Level 30 Solo.
Regardless, it does seem like Kane is basically a typical Monk munchkin, he can one-shot a Dragon with the quivering palm but he's not actually going to be able to just straight up brawl against them.
If PCs are to be converted the same way as a monster like the Red Dragon from 3E to 4E (i.e., +5 levels) then Drizzt hasn't increased his skill level at all over the years (Level 16/3E, Level 21/4E), his stat block going to solo represents his increased threshold to take damage due to the beatings he took during the war against Obould.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 10, 2012 - 3:45PM
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Looking up their stats, Kane was a Level 20 Monk, Gareth was a Level 25 Paladin, the rest were unknown. I think back in 3E A Red Dragon was only cr25, rather than Level 30 Solo.
Regardless, it does seem like Kane is basically a typical Monk munchkin, he can one-shot a Dragon with the quivering palm but he's not actually going to be able to just straight up brawl against them.
If PCs are to be converted the same way as a monster like the Red Dragon from 3E to 4E (i.e., +5 levels) then Drizzt hasn't increased his skill level at all over the years (Level 16/3E, Level 21/4E), his stat block going to solo represents his increased threshold to take damage due to the beatings he took during the war against Obould.
I find that so hard to believe that Drizzt has not leveled in 100 years.
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1 year ago ::
Feb 10, 2012 - 3:47PM
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I find that so hard to believe that Drizzt has not leveled in 100 years.
He's an NPC. His level is whatever the DM determines it to be.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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