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3 years ago  ::  May 25, 2010 - 2:28PM #11
Chiba_Monkey
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I did something similar in my home campaign world that in 3e used the Great Wheel Cosmology.  A Cataclysm (war between the gods and the primordials, who are newcomers in my world, not an ancient threat) rocked the planes.

Here's the low down:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

The first post covers the stroy changes that detail what happened to the great wheel.  3rd post down covers my current cosmology.

But, to the OP: In Manual of the Planes (4e) there is the variant for the Great Wheel Cosmology is you still want to keep it.

And a few of your plane names in the OP...
Nirvana was not a seperate plane from Mechanus.  The Plane's full name was Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus.
Likewise with Olympus/Arborea, it was Olympian Glades of Arborea
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3 years ago  ::  May 27, 2010 - 6:11PM #12
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May 25, 2010 -- 2:28PM, Chiba_Monkey wrote:

I did something similar in my home campaign world that in 3e used the Great Wheel Cosmology.  A Cataclysm (war between the gods and the primordials, who are newcomers in my world, not an ancient threat) rocked the planes.

Here's the low down:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

The first post covers the stroy changes that detail what happened to the great wheel.  3rd post down covers my current cosmology.

But, to the OP: In Manual of the Planes (4e) there is the variant for the Great Wheel Cosmology is you still want to keep it.

And a few of your plane names in the OP...
Nirvana was not a seperate plane from Mechanus.  The Plane's full name was Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus.
Likewise with Olympus/Arborea, it was Olympian Glades of Arborea




Where did your Primordials come from?

I am guessing not from the Far Realms.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2010 - 4:24PM #13
mvincent
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Just added:
Greyhawk also seems likely to have aged 100 years, since the Savage Tide Adventure Path was set in the world of Greyhawk, and the Demonomicon (p.68) says: "A little over a century ago, Demogorgon executed a plan to unleash a savage tide of chaos and death across the mortal world."
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2010 - 4:30PM #14
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May 25, 2010 -- 2:28PM, Chiba_Monkey wrote:

In Manual of the Planes (4e) there is the variant for the Great Wheel Cosmology is you still want to keep it.


Thank you (saw it).

Nirvana was not a seperate plane from Mechanus.


Right. I was providing both of its names.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 15, 2010 - 3:50PM #15
mvincent
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Update:
Removed "Yrnsvellar: remnant of the iron wastes (Kostchtchie's realm on the 23rd layer of the Abyss)"
The Demonomicon indicates that the iron wastes are still in the Abyss.
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 09, 2012 - 5:55PM #16
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Update:
Erik Scott de Bie (co-author of The Shadowfell) stated "most of the Raven Queen-related lore is my baby" and "I interpret the Raven Queen as basically *being* Wee Jas, albeit having absorbed Nerull's power and become a blacker deity.", supporting the idea that Letherna is based on Cabal Macabre.

Also:
Compare Wee Jas' Cabal Macabre: "Her domain takes the form of a huge and intricately carved ice castle, that glows with a pale light. Wee Jas' powers quell the bladestorm within a half mile of her location, allowing her to maintain her realm. Cabal Macabre is located on a huge, possibly infinite shard of black ice"

with the Raven Queen's Letherna (MotP p.60): "Nestled as it is among the highest peaks of this jagged range, hers is a mighty stronghold, cut from black ice that sparkles with new snow. Towers thrust up from the maze of walls and graceful bridges, drawing the eye to the storm of souls spinning above her citadel. From this maelstrom of spirits, a grim procession descends through her gates, summoned to learn their final fates."

or for more fun, Kelemvore's Fugue Plane (FRCG p.63): "The Crystal Spire, a tower of glittering transparent rock, watches over the City of Judgment, a gray metropolis of the dead, in the otherwise flat and featureless Fugue Plane. From the Crystal Spire, Kelemvor and his seneschal, Jergal, judge the dead. Connections: Shadowfell"
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11 months ago  ::  Jul 14, 2012 - 4:17PM #17
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 17, 2012 - 10:15AM #18
mvincent
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Update:

An early Modron article had peviously mentioned that "the avatar of Primus that most visitors see is a humanoid that rises from an energy pool in its realm, which is known as Mechanus".

However, in 'The Plane Above' p.124, a plane called "Archanus" is a ruined mechanical domain (that Maruts are interested in rebuilding) containing clockwork parts. I get the impression that Archanus was supposted to be the ruins of Mechanus, but that the writer of the Modron article and the writer of "The Plane Above" were not on the same page.

Now a new Modron article indicates that Mechanus "is just one of many bizarre realities that coexist within an even greater planescape that scholars name the Accordant Expanse". I'm adding this to the list.

Also note, there is a Phrenic Plane of Orderly Thought mentioned in Psionic Power p.91. As an opposite of the Far Realm, this seems to be another name for the Accordant Expanse.

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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 12:24PM #19
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this is a great thread!
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10 months ago  ::  Aug 21, 2012 - 3:47PM #20
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Awesome thread!  Now, besides the OP and the MotP-4e, is there any other method either quick and dirty or long and complex to use 4e mechanics in the Great Wheel/Planescape cosmology?
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