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2 years ago ::
Aug 20, 2011 - 2:35AM
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On the flip side of choice, when WotC decides if Draconians should be Dragonborn or not, they should bear in mind making up a whole new race you also lose a number of feats and other options, and likely few of those would be available.
Dragonborn will almost certainly not be Draconians. Draconians are already detailed in the Draconomicon for Metallic Dragons. They even include a few new Draconian types for the other metallic dragons. What we will be seeing - likely - is a change in what Dragons exist on Krynn. Adamantium and either Iron or Steel Dragons are a likely addition, as they wrote up the Adamaaz and Ferak Draconians. Kobaaz too but I am not sure which dragons they come from.
Honestly, with the material that has already been published (Draconians, establishing in Draconomicon that Bahamut is Paladine and Tiamat is Takhisis, Dragon Orbs in Draconomicon, and so on) the only thing a person needs to run a Dragonlance game is the time needed to write up their own themes and such for the few bits that have not been published. Dragonborn - my prediction - will be those few rare people who are born from the Human and Dragon couplings which seem so commonplace in the setting, natural born descendents. Or - depending on the age they write up - Dragonborn will be weird creations by the Dragon Overlords.
Emily Hook
Longmont, CO
Current DragonLance 4th Edition Writing Project: Champions of the Lance
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2 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2011 - 5:06PM
#72
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I've never understood why Wizards is so adverse to resurrecting the Dragonlance campaign setting. In all the years I have played D&D the Dragonlance setting in my opinion was the best hands down. Is it a licensing issue or some other legal hurdle?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 10:42AM
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I've never understood why Wizards is so adverse to resurrecting the Dragonlance campaign setting. In all the years I have played D&D the Dragonlance setting in my opinion was the best hands down. Is it a licensing issue or some other legal hurdle?
Wizards of the Coast owns the Dragonlance intellectual property. For a while, they had licensed the DL RPG to Margaret Weis Productions. There were several licenses that WotC didn't renew when 4th edition hit, including the MWP license for DL.
Why WotC stopped making Dragonlance novels, I don't know. I believe they're only putting out novels to support game lines right now, which is a 180 from the 3e approach of Dragonlance (games supported novels).
I hope they bring it back, but in a way that is faithful to the setting and its creators.
Trampas Whiteman---DragonHelm--->Whitestone Council Dragonlance NexusLong Live the Lance!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2011 - 2:19AM
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Apr 25, 2010
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I've never understood why Wizards is so adverse to resurrecting the Dragonlance campaign setting. In all the years I have played D&D the Dragonlance setting in my opinion was the best hands down. Is it a licensing issue or some other legal hurdle?
They are not averse to it. It is just an extremely well supported setting as far as publications are concerned. All the Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home books provide us with more flavor than many campaign source books. Almost all the setting material is available online. Extensive novel lines from which to draw inspiration. Considerable rules material from previous editions to use for guidance in home brewed conversions. Forgotten Realms is the only other D&D setting to receive that much attention. Right now - ostensibly, though Neverwinter seems to indicate otherwise - their focus is on bringing back those setting lines that have been set aside or forgotten, settings that do not have that much material out there.
Wizards of the Coast owns the Dragonlance intellectual property. For a while, they had licensed the DL RPG to Margaret Weis Productions. There were several licenses that WotC didn't renew when 4th edition hit, including the MWP license for DL.
Why WotC stopped making Dragonlance novels, I don't know. I believe they're only putting out novels to support game lines right now, which is a 180 from the 3e approach of Dragonlance (games supported novels).
I hope they bring it back, but in a way that is faithful to the setting and its creators.
I imagine that bringing it back with its own book will likely need some overhauling to make it fit in better with the overall universal setting for 4th edition. Like the wars between the Gods and the Primordials, the Astral Sea and the dramatic overhaul the planes have seen in the new edition, the numerous new dragon types, all that other business. I am still not certain why we need them to reprint setting material when so much setting material is available without any further publication. All it would do is save us time on writing up our own conversions. I can understand republishing old settings like Dark Sun or Ravenloft and so on, whose worlds were a bit more niche and not so engrained in our collective gamer subconscious.
But - as the DragonLance Nexus proves - we do not need source books to access information about Krynn. Do we really want to drop another $40 on a setting guide for a setting that most gamers can reference and quote from memory with ease, especially since Wizards may well come out with a new edition yet in the next few years and start the process all over again? Unless there are significant changes to the setting that make it necessary to purchase the new setting materials?
Emily Hook
Longmont, CO
Current DragonLance 4th Edition Writing Project: Champions of the Lance
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2 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2011 - 1:44AM
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I am a old DL fan from 3.0-3.5. I was a book junkie but never rpged the setting. Your right UH most of us know it setting by heart! But the point is to keep...it fresh!!! So people can enjoy it. And it can be passed on to future Generations! (Though nothing is perfect...and there is much to dispute. But everything is that way. And hopefully they can fix problems when they arise. But having 1/2 a CS is better than no setting.)
I would honestly like to see the other neglected CS revived to like DS,FR,E, NW. Heck maybe new settings.
When I rollplay tabletop rpg's. I allways play D&D. It's a namebrand I know and love. I looked at other various systems for better or worst...and i still comeback to D&D. Partly for the nostalgia. But mostly cause I am allready familiar w/ it! I generally understand it. Even in various past forms. If i can't play it's pointless unless it's a collectable. I never played 1e,or 2e. I first played 3e in middleschool. I bought all the books from 3.0 and 3.5 the art is way better than 4 in my opion. 4.0 to me is much easier for me to understand. Plus I like the tacticalness of 4e.
I was a little disappointed when they decided to go FR's(NW) agian after they allready had FRCS allready. Though looking at it it seems cool. I like the subraces. etc. (good ideas for Kern variations.)
I remember being a kid and playing 1 CS for hrs and then switching to another. Some people say what does DL offer that FR doesn't have. It basicly Pepsi vs Coke. There similar but different. I loved most of the DL books the authors really had to get creative w/ little variation and this really comes down to the individualisation of the characters. Peole, actions, matter. In FR I really only liked the drow and drizzit. Which they have beat like a dead horse. In DL I never really got into the 5th age or the other continant.
The other cs offer varietty without changing the game. To get it pubished there has to be some constancy and communication bettween various elements. And not in some backwatter logs. More people will join up later. Need to keep it fresh. Ravenloft and Oriental Adventures have a post under future release. In the past now is the time 3rd Party Pubishers would be realeasing spat books but the new 4e rule laws really put a cramp on what others can offically release. Wasn't RL origionally a 3rd p product?
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2 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2011 - 2:00PM
#76
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- VCL Emeritus
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Like Dragonlance during the 3rd edition era, Ravenloft was licensed to a 3rd party publisher, White Wolf under its Sword & Sorcery imprint. Ravenloft was originally an AD&D 1st Edition adventure module (I6) and then an AD&D 2nd Edition campaign setting. It is interesting to note that the original Ravenloft adventure module was written by Tracy Hickman, a name Dragonlance fans are intimately familiar with. 
Quentin Small
WotC Online Community Coordinator
All around helpful simian
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2 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2011 - 8:59PM
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Mar 27, 2009
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To Crazy_monkey that was it! Really... WW isn't that VtM, and WW and WofD, etc.??? I thought it was mongoose P. But the point is D&D need's to release an "offical" CSing or a 3rd P Pubisher. But from what I hear the new GLS is tighter, and more restictive than the old OGL! Really killing 3rd P expansion!!! You should see my last post under DL 4e in Future Releases!!!
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2 years ago ::
Nov 19, 2011 - 9:30AM
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So... this is probably a silly question, since if anything has been said it likely would have been posted already, but there is the very miniscule possibility that maybe I've just missed it. Any news regarding a 4th edition Dragonlance setting? I'm not at all familiar with the world too much, but from everything I've heard it sounds really interesting. I checked the thread in the Future Releases forum but there was no indication there of a 4th edition remake. I've never really been able to get into FR, and though I like Eberron (a lot), I also enjoy the more traditional feel of classic settings. I joined a 4th edition Greyhawk PbP (my first exposure to the setting) and I really liked reading up on the history and building a character that fit there. Dragonlance seems like a setting I'd like as well. Here's to hoping that we see it sometime. A couple of other questions for those with the time to answer... which novels detail the canon of the setting? I think I've read the Twins trilogy (ages ago), but which books depict the War/Heroes of the Lance? Also, who gets to ride dragons? Is it the Knights of Solamnia? I have an itch to play a dragonrider  . And are dragonlances artifact-level items or does each dragonrider have one? Thanks!
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1 year ago ::
Nov 21, 2011 - 4:46PM
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The "core" story of the Dragonlance saga is told in the books by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman.
Dragonlance Chronicles
-Dragons of Autumn Twilight
-Dragons of Winter Night
-Dragons of Spring Dawning
Dragonlance Legends
-Time of the Twins
-War of the Twins
-Test of the Twins
The Second Generation (anthology that serves as a prologue of sorts to...)
Dragons of Summer Flame
The War of Souls
-Dragons of a Fallen Sun
-Dragons of a Lost Star
-Dragons of a Vanished Moon
There are numerous other Dragonlance novels as well.
In prior editions, dragonlances were divided into lesser dragonlances and greater dragonlances and were either powerful magic items or artifacts. Dragon riders were usually Knights of Solamnia (good guys) or Dragon Highlords (bad guys). Note that I say "usually" because the details of who can ride a dragon and wield a dragonlance are largely up to the DM.
Quentin Small
WotC Online Community Coordinator
All around helpful simian
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1 year ago ::
Apr 23, 2012 - 10:25PM
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Date Joined:
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The "core" story of the Dragonlance saga is told in the books by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman.
Dragonlance Chronicles
-Dragons of Autumn Twilight
-Dragons of Winter Night
-Dragons of Spring Dawning
Dragonlance Legends
-Time of the Twins
-War of the Twins
-Test of the Twins
The Second Generation (anthology that serves as a prologue of sorts to...)
Dragons of Summer Flame
The War of Souls
-Dragons of a Fallen Sun
-Dragons of a Lost Star
-Dragons of a Vanished Moon
There are numerous other Dragonlance novels as well.
In prior editions, dragonlances were divided into lesser dragonlances and greater dragonlances and were either powerful magic items or artifacts. Dragon riders were usually Knights of Solamnia (good guys) or Dragon Highlords (bad guys). Note that I say "usually" because the details of who can ride a dragon and wield a dragonlance are largely up to the DM.
And by numerous, he means well over 100, probably closer to 200 by now...
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