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5 years ago ::
Mar 25, 2008 - 4:23PM
#91
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If they really want to bring Dragonlance to life they need to make a TV series, not a movie.
IMHO, fantasy series are *very* tough to make for TV because of the budget constraints. If they did do a TV series though, I'd prefer it to be good CGI. Maybe it wouldn't be as good as Beowulf CGI, but look at all of the great intro movies for video games. I would totally watch that every week for a half hour show.
The way they did the animation for the DL movie just perpetuated the sterotype of 'cheesey cheap' fantasy films. 
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 12:40AM
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Okay, why would the price tag of WotC's product be an issue for the making of the current film? WotC is not in the film producing industry. They don't have a film studio like Marvel or WWE.
The movie was crap, plain and simple, and everyone knows it. Everyone and their uncle dad hoped for better, and those hopes got squashed (except maybe the music in it, and background paintings).
But no one from WOTC, or MWP should be blamed.
Like Ranger said, WOTC are not in the film producing industry. They licensed it out.
Have you ever seen the first Fantastic Four film? I mean the ORIGINAL first one. The one you can only get at a convention or over the internet in bootleg form. Far before Jessica Alba decided to sport spandex for us geeks to swoon over.
It was horrible.
They even went as far as putting a while glove on a painted broomstick to portray Reed's arm stretching (I swear to God!) The problem wasn't Marvel's fault. It was the company doing the film. They did a bad job. Not Marvel.
The movie was nice because we DL fans at least got a movie. Better than nothing and the DVD will fit right in with the novels on the bookshelf. But other than that, it sucked. But that is by no means WOTC or MWP's fault.
IMHO, fantasy series are *very* tough to make for TV because of the budget constraints. If they did do a TV series though, I'd prefer it to be good CGI. Maybe it wouldn't be as good as Beowulf CGI, but look at all of the great intro movies for video games. I would totally watch that every week for a half hour show.
Hey if Nickelodeon can do an amazing job with Jimmy Neutron and make it a series, why not?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 6:34PM
#93
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IMHO, fantasy series are *very* tough to make for TV because of the budget constraints. If they did do a TV series though, I'd prefer it to be good CGI. Maybe it wouldn't be as good as Beowulf CGI, but look at all of the great intro movies for video games. I would totally watch that every week for a half hour show.
The way they did the animation for the DL movie just perpetuated the sterotype of 'cheesey cheap' fantasy films.
Dragonlance could be done with a lower budget and look good. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who could do it on a smaller budget. The problem is finding those people, getting the studio to leave their 'safety' makeup and CGI companies and try them out. Have you seen what people can do on home computers these days? The quality that can be shot on an average quality HD camera?
I have seen so many smaller budget films with CGI, costume and makeup effects that look better than big budget blockbusters (even without working in the overly bloated actor salaries).
My personal preference for the possible future adaptations of Dragonlance would be as follows.
- #1: Multiple Mini Series:
- Higher mostly unknown actors and lock them into a contract for the possibility of several more mini series later (not up on my Hollywood contracting, not sure if this type of contract still works). Get a couple well known actors to fill in some medium or smaller size roles to draw new people into the series and hook them.
- #2: Anime:
Originally I would have been against anime but after seeing various American animation companies continuously butcher cartoons and animated series I am fed up. Hire a well known animation company. Not sure offhand who did Air Gear but I love the animation in that. These people are artists and I am sure they could adapt their style and merge it with the Dragonlance style in a way that would satisfy both fans of Dragonlance and general Anime fans.
- #3: CGI: I would settle for a CGI series if it was done better than that horrid CGI we got in the animated film (I enjoyed that film but everytime that CGI hit I groaned.) Higher a handful of well known actors who have PROVEN themselves good at doing voice work (God get David Keith please!) and then higher the rest from a pool of none hollywood fame voice actors, pulling people from anime would work.
- #4: Movies: Live Action movie. This would have been my first choice but after seeing Hollywood fumble and fumble and fumble again on pretty much everything fantasy since LotR its my last choice.
- #5 Animated Movie or Series: See #2
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5 years ago ::
Apr 02, 2008 - 4:42AM
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Live Action movie. This would have been my first choice but after seeing Hollywood fumble and fumble and fumble again on pretty much everything fantasy since LotR its my last choice.
To be fair, had LotR came out after all of the other ones, none of them would have come off as bad. Not all of them have sucked. But LotR pretty much spoiled fantasy fans and caused them to except nothing less than the quality those films delivered.
Which is what confuses me the most about the DL film. Those producers should have known people were gonna be up in arms over such poor quality, after being spoiled by quality flicks.
But I still stand by the background paintings and music.
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5 years ago ::
May 08, 2008 - 7:31AM
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The CGI/Cartoon was the biggest blunder ever. It was just terrible. :raincloud
1) They should have made it all cartoon with no CGI. That would have made it a million times better.
2) They should have made it live action and let Peter Jackson make it. Or someone who loves Dragonlance and is a great producer/director. Spend atleast 100 million per film. If anything character driven, high budget, quality films can be successful no matter the genre. Lord of the Rings proved that.
Other than that... I don't have anything else to say.
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5 years ago ::
May 15, 2008 - 10:40PM
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Absolutely horrible. An utter disappointment. One wonders why they bothered at all, the CG was horrible and looked goofy next to the more traditional animation. The story felt rushed, the characters underdeveloped. These were some of my favorite books growing up but I would be embarrassed to share this movie with someone who had never heard of Dragonlance.
Did anyone else notice that in the fight with the Hobgoblins at the beginning of the movie, Flint punches one of the Hobgoblin's shield's and shatters it into a hundred pieces? What the hell was that about?
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5 years ago ::
May 16, 2008 - 2:39PM
#97
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My opinion:
Visuals: This movie, visually, was lacking in most every sense of the word. Cheap, mostly unoriginal, and overall poorly done. The movie looks like it was drawn by an overworked saturday morning cartoon artist with a budget of four dollars and 35 seconds to draw each minute of movie frames. The framerate was so horribly low that I actually thought my DVD player was skipping. Not kidding. The backgrounds were lacking for the most part, often bland or in the case of the evil citadel incredibly unimpressive. The movie had a budget (I heard) of $1.5 million. It showed here most of all. Not all the movie was horrific animation, some scenes rose up to the level of mediocre in visual quality. The Dragon CGI was actually.... not that bad. Simple, but not bad. The dragon demihumans though, bad.
Music and sounds: Not bad. Definitly not truly mood enhancing, but it was adequate and not offensive. Not good, but not bad. The sound effects were kind of cheap and sounded like stock sounds, but its not like they dropped a coin and a car horn came out.
Voice acting: Ill have the break this down by character.
Tanis: Michael Rosenbaum did a pretty good job. A few times he sounded a bit flat, but on the whole, he did an okay job. I don't know Tanis well enough to truly judge.
Goldmoon: Thank You Xena. Lucy Lawless did a fine performance and was PERFECT for the role. Her voice was strong at times, vulnerable at others, and definitly set the right mood for such an empathetic character.
Raistlin: They got Keifer Sutherland. How, I have NO idea, but I am damn glad they did. Next to POSSIBLY Lucy, he fulfilled his character the best. His voice was raspy and sneaky, perhaps a bit exaggerated but definitly not over the top. Apparantly Sutherland was very careful in his pronounciantion and did several takes of his magic spells. Well done Mr. Sutherland.
Flint: If the actor was going for a silly dwarf, he nailed it. Flint is blustery and sort of lovable, but unfortunatly his more serious moments are hard to take seriously because of it. Still, pretty good.
Tasselhoff: Perfect voice. Horrible dialog for the most part. "Monks! Monks! Moooonks!" Like thats supposed to instill panic?
More later.
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5 years ago ::
May 19, 2008 - 8:37PM
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I have to say, as a really big fan of DL since '83... that was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. The animation was horrible at best, they used technology that's been around for 30 years, the acting was okay at best.... I hated Raistlin (And I normally like K. Sutherland) They skipped about 75% of the story which didn't allow for character introduction at all...they took a bout 1200 pages of story and pushed into a little over an hour...they could have done sooooo much better on following the story which would've made up somewhat for the crappy animation... not entirely, but it would've helped. If they would ever do DL a favor...it would be by firing all involved with the first, then fire the people who thought it up, then hire old grognards like me to fill in the gaps they obviously can't fill, and do it over!
I watched this movie the day it came out, but today, I find this buried thread to post on....:raincloud WotC is really reaching now...
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5 years ago ::
May 20, 2008 - 1:42AM
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They didn't even have the green gemstone man in the movie. I'm fairly sure he's an intricate part of the overall plot of the story.
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5 years ago ::
May 20, 2008 - 6:10AM
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They didn't even have the green gemstone man in the movie. I'm fairly sure he's an intricate part of the overall plot of the story.
Berem Everstone, yeah, he was integral... Takhissis sought him out for that stone in his chest. They fit 3 full sized novels that covered a year's time into an hour, it should've been broken up into 3 movies like LotR. 1 movie per book could satisfactorily cover the story, though at the price of bad animation.
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