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Pennarin wrote:

Mmm, we should add an hyperlink to the document's location on athas.org's website. It contains a bunch of spells from old 2E material converted by Bruno and Fabricio, entertainers and general good fellows from the far south. Cleansing flame is a spell from Defilers and Preservers: The Wizards of Athas, if you recall.

Any recommendations or thoughts about AE, Jack?

Well obviously if other spells from non-standard sources are used, its important to call out their location.

My only other thought is that the Palm Braclet (and the psionic mask) are both very expensive, the players in my group were interested in them till they saw the cost and the time required to swap stones in them, both seem high to us, I would think both should likely be reduced (make the crystals the same sort of action as the swapping weapon/armour crystals from MiC perhaps?)

I'm sure some other thoughts occur to me, but I've really only skimmed over the document so far.

Jack

Pennarin wrote:

Snif.
My first gaming feedback! /in tears :D

Bruno and Fabricio's spells were supposed, IIRC, to be integrated in DS3 r7. Jon?

Heh, have no fear, I have plenty of opinions (of varying value I'm sure).

Pennarin wrote:

The swap time for gems was based off of the same mechanic found in Magic of Faerun, a 3.0 release. You say MiC updates similar swap times for other magic items? Can you provide a reference, please? Since we did all our items in the old style, I never bought MiC.

Not familiar with whatever item you're referencing there, but the augment crystals in the MiC (pg 221 for general rules on them) take a move action to attach or remove (so two Move actions to replace one)

Here is the preview that describes them.

Pennarin wrote:

Palm bracelets costing too much? Could be, you also need to consider they take a glove slot and provide the equivalent of a feat, sometimes two feats (for gems with +2 to DC), and the "feat" is not set but can be swapped for another one affecting some other school, descriptor, etc. Pretty flexible. Maybe not in combat situations, but between encounters for sure.

My gut impression of them (with no playtesting at all) is that they should be more in the niehborhood of 10k-15k, as they take a slot, and grant a limited benefit, compare to the Orange Ioun stone, which is a generic +1 CL (not as good as the +1 (or higher) DC some of stones give you) but it is only 30k and slotless. I have trouble imagining a slotted item which provides am more limited (but ocassionally better) bonus being more costly.

I like the low cost of the stones, before I saw the cost of the braclet I thought they would be nice lower level items but the price puts them more along the lines of something an 18+ level character can afford, which is less good. So I would likely drop the bracelet/mask way down and potentially bump the better stones to about double (i.e. the ones which grant +2 bonuses).

Another option, is to make them slotless (particularly the mask which fights for space with a +int items and psicrowns) and put them in that a same 25k-30k range as the Ioun stone.

At the price as listed I figure they need to be slotless and hold more then one stone, but your mileage may vary. The wizards, psion, and cleric [yes the whole party are casters of one sort or another, grotesque no?] in my group (level 15-16) were unanimous in their opinion that they were too expensive, and fighting for useful slots (we use normal magic item 3.5 rules so at this level we have lots of them).

Just my rambling thoughts on the items in question

Jack


Edited to add: There are also some magic items (special holy symbols) in Complete Champion that give a +1 Cl to a specific school when used and they are 350gp each IIRC correctly, so there's a benchmark of sorts (for divine casters at least).