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Dragon Calls for Support
4 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2006 - 8:13AM #111
Gazza555
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Good Idea Håvard

But then again I'm not good at finishing things either - data entry for the calendar and the HW conversion spring to mind -

One idea might be a series of mini gazeteer netbooks, and it could give us the motivation to finish the Thunder Rift and Wendar ones. I suppose that's one problem with developing them on the message board - they never feel completely finished.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2006 - 8:35AM #112
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Gazza555]Good Idea Håvard

But then again I'm not good at finishing things either - data entry for the calendar and the HW conversion spring to mind - wrote:

Good Idea Håvard

But then again I'm not good at finishing things either - data entry for the calendar and the HW conversion spring to mind -


Yes, this is most people's problem I think. So how can we make projects that are easier to complete?

Keeping things limited in scope is a good idea. Dont make a HW 3.5 book. Make a HW Races 3.5 book instead. And then a HW Classes 3.5 book later. Eventually these two could be combined to a Player's Guide to the HW by throwing in a few feats and a couple of pieces of equipment, but dont try to do it all at once.

If you have more ideas for how to make it possible to complete projects, I am listening.

One idea might be a series of mini gazeteer netbooks, and it could give us the motivation to finish the Thunder Rift and Wendar ones. I suppose that's one problem with developing them on the message board - they never feel completely finished.


Yep. The Thunder Rift project is not dead. I needed to take a breather from it and there are a few issues to be resolved before I can move on. But perhaps I should take my own advice and make it more limited in scope, at least initially. I might release a simple introductory guide to TR 3E rather than expand on every feature right away as well as include all conversions.

Even if finished products are released, that doesnt mean we cant stop discussing them. More ideas are bound to pop up, and we can use those in revised editions or sequels, companions or what you want to call them.

Just a few more ideas for non commercial releases for Mystara.

Håvard

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2006 - 12:05PM #113
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eldersphinx]The major stumbling block with a "Campaign Support" magazine idea is not the creative costs, but the editing and printing costs. At a flat rate of 5 cents a word (with a guesstimate of about 800 words per page, 120 pages of content per magazine) I'm reasonably sure that Paizo spends less than ,000 per issue on writer's and artist's fees. Probably two to three times this amount goes to covering in-house salaries - for editing, layout management, sales and marketing expertise. And even these costs pale when you look at expenses for printing, packaging and shipping. The thing that would frankly surprise me would be to discover that an issue of Dragon could be produced for less than ,000 an issue or so.


I can't get into the numbers, of course, but Dragon pays more than ,000 per issue on editorial and a whole bunch more than that on art. Otherwise, I'd say you're pretty spot-on.

The major stumbling block with a "Campaign Support" magazine idea is not the creative costs, but the editing and printing costs. At a flat rate of 5 cents a word (with a guesstimate of about 800 words per page, 120 pages of content per magazine) I'm reasonably sure that Paizo spends less than $5,000 per issue on writer's and artist's fees. Probably two to three times this amount goes to covering in-house salaries - for editing, layout management, sales and marketing expertise. And even these costs pale when you look at expenses for printing, packaging and shipping. The thing that would frankly surprise me would be to discover that an issue of Dragon could be produced for less than $50,000 an issue or so.[/quote]
I can't get into the numbers, of course, but Dragon pays more than $5,000 per issue on editorial and a whole bunch more than that on art. Otherwise, I'd say you're pretty spot-on.

BOZ]does paizo have to pay licensing fees?


Yes. We license the right to publish Dragon and Dungeon, which is why we must go through the approval process with Wizards of the Coast and why we can put 100% Official on the front wrote:

does paizo have to pay licensing fees?[/quote]
Yes. We license the right to publish Dragon and Dungeon, which is why we must go through the approval process with Wizards of the Coast and why we can put 100% Official on the front covers.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 10, 2006 - 4:00PM #114
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ah, good point. but what i was wondering was, does paizo have to pay any licensing fees (above and beyond the normal ones) to use Greyhawk, Mystara, Forgotten Realms, Eberron, etc material?
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4 years ago  ::  Jan 11, 2006 - 5:55AM #115
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havard]Keeping things limited in scope is a good idea. Dont make a HW 3.5 book. Make a HW Races 3.5 book instead. And then a HW Classes 3.5 book later. Eventually these two could be combined to a Player's Guide to the HW by throwing in a few feats and a couple of pieces of equipment, but dont try to do it all at once.


This is a very good i wrote:

Keeping things limited in scope is a good idea. Dont make a HW 3.5 book. Make a HW Races 3.5 book instead. And then a HW Classes 3.5 book later. Eventually these two could be combined to a Player's Guide to the HW by throwing in a few feats and a couple of pieces of equipment, but dont try to do it all at once.[/quote]
This is a very good idea.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 11, 2006 - 10:12AM #116
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BOZ]ah, good point. but what i was wondering was, does paizo have to pay any licensing fees (above and beyond the normal ones) to use Greyhawk, Mystara, Forgotten Realms, Eberron, etc material?


Ah, I gotcha now.

The answer to that is no. As long as that stuff appears in the magazines, of course. Producing other D&D products would require a different licensing agr wrote:

ah, good point. but what i was wondering was, does paizo have to pay any licensing fees (above and beyond the normal ones) to use Greyhawk, Mystara, Forgotten Realms, Eberron, etc material?[/quote]
Ah, I gotcha now.

The answer to that is no. As long as that stuff appears in the magazines, of course. Producing other D&D products would require a different licensing agreement.

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4 years ago  ::  Jan 13, 2006 - 6:27PM #117
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havard]Some possibilities:
* KenzerCo: They are still working on HackMaster Mystara at least, though bringing in Mystara as a D20 setting would probably be in conflict with Kalamar.


http://www.kenzerco.com/forums/showpost … tcount=110

Note especially:

"Aside from a few HM projects in the pipeline, we will probably no longer be printing material based on 1e/2e. It's simply too much of a pain in the ass. GH was rejected by WoTC and we are re-doing it. All the other modules in the queue were rejected as well and the effort to complete them to WoTC's spec is too great to make them v wrote:

Some possibilities:
* KenzerCo: They are still working on HackMaster Mystara at least, though bringing in Mystara as a D20 setting would probably be in conflict with Kalamar.[/quote]
http://www.kenzerco.com/forums/showpost … tcount=110

Note especially:

"Aside from a few HM projects in the pipeline, we will probably no longer be printing material based on 1e/2e. It's simply too much of a pain in the ass. GH was rejected by WoTC and we are re-doing it. All the other modules in the queue were rejected as well and the effort to complete them to WoTC's spec is too great to make them viable."

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