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My dislike for Eberron is simple. If I want technology, I'll play d20 Modern or (better yet) Alternity. As I've noted elsewhere, reading E gives me a roaring need to start a terrorist campaign to free the elementals. (Slaver-bashing being a favorite campaign) The any-alignment cleric doesn't make sense, since fantasy deities tend to be possessive and very active in keeping their servants in line. E doesn't even consider why a god will give a heretical priest spells. And if I wanted to play a sentient golem, I'd use Savage Species.

The political aspects are nice, but I can use them in any campaign. Again, democracy is too modern to fit with medieval fantasy.

In short, you can play what you want. Just don't expect me and others to jump on your bandwagon.

Oggie

PS-oh yeah, and telling us we really love Eberron when it's pretty clear we don't is like when someone told me I was in denial about having an alcohol problem when I don't drink at all.

Points have already been made on both sides. This thread needs to be closed.

Well, I've been playing Greyhawk for quite a few years under the same DM who knows Greyhawk as well as I know my own life's history. Ebberon caught my eye because he runs a business in the summer so he can't run our campaigns. I usually run STAR WARS but always wanted to try running some D&D. The summer break would be a good time. I thought Ebberron would be good so I wouldn't "intrude" in my DM's Greyhawk world. I picked up the novel and read it thinking it was ok. When I saw the rulebook was 40 bucks I shook my head. No F'ing way. The reviews weren't good enough to convince me to part with that much money. I did pick up the 10 dollar module to modify and use but that's as far as I'll go. I don't hate it, I just really like the whole feel of Greyhawk . . .

The Greyhawk world just makes you feel like you're sitting at the Inn on the edge of town, looking out the window and into the forest . . . just wondering what's out there.

Ebberron just doesn't do that for me.

I think it's more for the new, younger generation of roleplayers who are used to video games like the Final Fantasy ones. I see Ebberron characters as the animae spiked hair punks tossing magic around, the fighter with a sword on their back that has a 10' blade, and a rogue zipping around on roller skates. The idea behind the world is cool, just not for me.

Greyhawk is more of the old flavor . . . the old Inn with a ranger smoking a pipe, wearing his tattered cloak with his father's sword at his side . . . while Ebberron is the tall city of Sharn, crisp and clean with people wearing armor that has no scratches or character marks . . . this is just my opinion.

I hope Eb does well. I just wish they wouldn't throw in the towel on those of us who like the old stew of Greyhawk.

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Ebberon (hope I spelled that right ) is a very cool idea. I would gladly read novels set in such a world. It does a wonderful job of throwing out convention and rewriting the concept of fantasy as we know it.

That being said, I've been playing D&D for about twenty years now. To me and the circle of people I associate with, Greyhawk IS Dungeons & Dragons. That's it, period. The original setting and original players have a long and fruitful history together. Now I may be an old fuddy-duddy or whatever, but the huge differences just don't work for me as the game I have known and loved for many years.

I completely respect the right of others to use this setting and if it drags in more new players all the better. I don't hate it, am not disgusted with it, but you'll never catch me running a game set there. I, and I think most others here, wont just go on the attack over it by random chance, but only when others tell us our "old" setting is dead and gone, replaced by newer, bigger, better! At least I would like to think that we old Grognards could be more civil than that. :D