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8 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2005 - 5:46PM
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Eberron is not my cup of tea... I´m more in to the classic medieval stuff... It´s like SpellJammer...[/quote]
Eberron has a lot of classic medieval stuff in it. It's not nearly as bonded to the whole idea of "magic as technology" as much as you'd think. Everything has a home in Eberron.
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8 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2005 - 6:40PM
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While I happen to like Eberron, and I agree there is a lot of pointless bashing on this forum, you just have to let people have their bias. This is the Greyhawk forum, after all.
The original post is similar to someone posting "Why don't you guys like 3e?" on the out of print forum (Which has been done, with similar results).
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8 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2005 - 8:45PM
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I have never bashed Eberron, i just dont have time for it. I would rather have products that build off an exsisting world rather than have to start from scratch.
But there are others who like starting from scratch... i probably would too if i hadnt been converted to Greyhawk in the late 90's
I don't hate Ebberon, I just wish that when they publish an Eberron story arc in Dungeon that they would explain what the heck a dragon shard is... and maybe even go as far as to tell us what it does.
I mean seriously... that story arc looks cool but what the heck is a dragon shard? is like a mega-ioun stone our something? i really dont know
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8 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2005 - 8:57PM
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Page 8 of Eberron Campaign Setting "...skyscraping castles, elemental-powered coaches and carriages, and all manner of enchanted conveniences..." "...effects that in some ways mimic technological marvels that didn't appear until the 1800s...." there are lots more of this in the campaign book. If I wanted to play in the 1800s then I would play Boot Hill TM, but I want medieval fantasy, no cars, no trains, no skyscrapers.
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8 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2005 - 9:20PM
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It seems like every time I decide to poke around the Greyhawk board I see a bunch of people disgusted with Eberron here. What's up with that? Eberron didn't replace Greyhawk, that much is obvious. Eberron came out just over a year ago, while Greyhawk has been getting the shaft since the gazeteer came out. WotC killed Greyhawk, not Eberron. Why, then, does 95% of the people here seem to hate it so much?
It just seems that so many people talk about how much is wrong with Eberron (which for the most part is untrue) that they don't see how much is right about it.[/quote]
Specifically asking people why they hate something and then arguing/debating them on their reasons in an evangelical fashion is not a recipe for a fruitful conversation.
It's just a difference of opinion. People are different that way. Besides, we're not posting on an Eberron fan forum here, so why should it bother anyone?
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8 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2005 - 12:50AM
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Why do I dislike Eberron? 1) Magic-powered pseudo-technology. Sorry but for something supposedly "new", you can run into an awful lot of it pretty much anywhere on the main continent. No Teleport available? No problem, we've got lightning trains and flying ships, and cheaper too! Your PC will never need to experience the lay of the land again unless the DM wants them to. 2) Ever dreamed of playing a construct, a lycanthrope or a shapechanger? No problem, here they are all available. Sure, they look like toned-down versions but with the right racial level or PrC you get the full package in no time.  3) Indiana Jones meets Steampunk meets Lost World. That's the way I see Eberron. The designer obviously sought to please everyone at once by creating a mix of every possible environment. Not saying it can't work for some people, it's just not my cup of tea. 4) Ability for clerics of any god to have any alignment. You always wanted to play a CE priest of Pelor? Come to Eberron, here you can! I can understand the basic idea, which is to allow for corrupted priesthood. But they didn't need to go that far to implement it. The "Heretic" feat from the Book of the Righteous (Green Ronin) was much simpler and more effective. 5) They underscore early on in the book that mid- and high-level NPC exist in much reduced number compared to other settings. Yet, once your PC reach those levels, they're supposed to have plenty of adversaries waiting for them. So, what did those bad guys do in the meantime? Have tea while the PC were gaining xp? That said, I'll be the first to say Eberron does have a few good and innovative ideas. For instance, I like the concept of planes that become coterminous with the Prime according to a cycle, of ancient druidic orders fighting extraplanar invaders, and of a once-powerful hobgoblin nation (even though the latter seems awfully close to what KoK had already done  ). But the rest of the setting just doesn't agree with me. Oh, and for the record it's not so much a case of "I hate that setting!" as of "Eberron isn't for me, so please don't force-feed it".
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8 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2005 - 1:25AM
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Oh, and for the record it's not so much a case of "I hate that setting!" as of "Eberron isn't for me, so please don't force-feed it".[/quote]
Dito.
And something to add:
I am in my mid-twenties  and as most of us here (so I think), I don't consider myself a fantasy or RPG fanboy by any means. My affection to the Greyhawk setting comes from my years of playing and because Greyhawk was some kind of myth when I was younger. People here I think are not really keen to experience something *new, uncommon and spectacular* like Eberron, but to preserve what has been their playground for long time.
Besides, two thigns interesting to notice as well: To get into Eberron the right way would mean to spend about  150++ bucks at the moment, and the reviews Eberron books got on INDEPENDENT RPG boards are often much less than favorable.
So, while noone here is bashing Eberron, except when someone comes and wants to *convert* us at all costs, and doesn't accept our shy *But I am perfectly happy with my Greyhawk*, respect our scepticism.
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8 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2005 - 8:01AM
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seriously... what is dragon shard? 
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8 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2005 - 8:43AM
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Scoti, perhaps you would have better luck asking that on the Eberron board..
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8 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2005 - 8:51AM
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A dragon shard is just a magic item with a lot of specific campaign flavor. They are generally used as plot devices, ie the adventuring party has to find the uber dragon shard for their employer before their adversaries get to it. But wait, maybe their employers are the bad guys and the adversaries the good guys! Who to trust? etc, etc...
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