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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 1:23PM
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??? Then that would be back to the human in Phiarlan with a Mark of Shadow which we are hoping is NOT the case.
I didn't say I agree with it. 
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 3:01PM
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Well... On the bright side, it sounds like the Artificer is back on track to becmoing more like its roots, rather than the Green Arrow/Crack sprinkling/ ranged leader controller the playtest made him out to be!
Maybe the book will be worth just picking up the arty class?
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 3:35PM
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Well... On the bright side, it sounds like the Artificer is back on track to becmoing more like its roots, rather than the Green Arrow/Crack sprinkling/ ranged leader controller the playtest made him out to be!
Maybe the book will be worth just picking up the arty class?
Honestly, I still don't think they will have a melee-ficer. The core rules already have two leaders that both have melee-weapon-only abilities. Why make a third class like that. Leaders are all going to be very similar classes. If you wanted to be an artificer that was melee based, play a Warlord and call yourself an artificer.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2008 - 4:00AM
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Honestly, I still don't think they will have a melee-ficer. The core rules already have two leaders that both have melee-weapon-only abilities. Why make a third class like that. Leaders are all going to be very similar classes. If you wanted to be an artificer that was melee based, play a Warlord and call yourself an artificer.
*Sighs*
Sad... I really hope not. I would hope that Wizard's would side more with flavor and concept rather than nitch and role. Leaders that actually have different forms of healing thier allies apart from Identical At-wills the Warlord and the Cleric recieve. Item buffing (for ether ranged or melee), Item Creation (even if just a little bit), Item manipulation (using wand or other item abilities multiple times or at the cost of healing surges or other encounter and dailiy powers), And minion making (Homonculi !!!), would be nice rather than Arcane Ranged Leader/ Controller: Must have healing word ability like all other leaders... Bleh
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5 years ago ::
Aug 16, 2008 - 11:49AM
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Except 4e stresses flavor over mechanics. It even says in the DMG to detail stats in the monster manual any way you like, and just use those blocks to make a completely new monster.
Also, we already know that the class feature of the artificer is a Healing Word ability. Item creation is the same for the artificer as anyone else, you just use Enchant Magic Item, and their ability to identify magic items without a spell is now a core mechanic of make an Arcana check (although most magic items are instantly identified when you take a short rest).
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 8:58AM
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I was actually at the seminar, the answers reposted here are very brief, Keith, James, Jeremy, and Stephen often talked at length about subject, often having to dance around things they weren't allowed to say.
For instance the running joke of the seminar became "Boy that thing on the cover of the Player's Handbook 2 looks an awful lot like a shifter doesn't it?" They never actually said "The shifter is in PHB2" but they refered to that "Very shifter looking character" all the time.
As to the dragonmarks, yes they said that other races and non Dragonmark races would be able to gain dragonmarks. HOWEVER! This was refered back to the fact that in 4th edition Eberron the Prophecy would have its importance really punched up, that the prophecy is written on the skin of mortal races is really really important.
There are still only the 13 houses (14 if you cound House Tarkanan), there will not be a teifling house or a dragonborn house. They specifically said that non 'dragonmarked' races developing dragonmarks was NOT NORMAL, its being marked by the prophecy directly, and personally. Mind you this is not unprecidented, the Cataclysm Mage and the adventure Eyes of the Lich Queen allowed non-dragonmarked races to develop dragonmarks. A dragonborn with a mark is a unique (not to say the dragonmark is unique, rather the event of the dragonborn developing a mark) pretty much PC or plot device only event. They will not be founding new houses or be expecting their children to develop marks THEY PERSONALLY have been marked by the prophecy.
Also while we don't know the mechanics fo the new Dragonmarks, the pannalists were extremely tight lipped about the new mechanics beyond saying it was "Awesome", James said awesome a lot actually. They did mention there will be Epic Destinies related to Dragonmarks and The Prophecy.
Aesop had it right 2,500 years ago, "By endeavoring to please everyone, he had pleased no one, and lost his ass in the bargain".
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 5:26PM
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As to the dragonmarks, yes they said that other races and non Dragonmark races would be able to gain dragonmarks. HOWEVER! This was refered back to the fact that in 4th edition Eberron the Prophecy would have its importance really punched up, that the prophecy is written on the skin of mortal races is really really important.[/quote]
Nived, did they say anything about the in-world frequency of dragonmarked races getting the dragonmark of a different race (like an elf getting the Mark of Warding)? If it's just a plot/PC only kind of thing, that's not so big a change. I mean, we DMs could've done that in our own campaigns pretty easily, and I'm sure quite a few of us have.
So, what is it, a dragonmark bargain bin free-for-all with Jo Shmoe NPC of any race having any mark, or is it still exceedingly rare to find a dragonmark on any race it doesn't belong to (including 3.5 PHB races, not just dragonborn or tieflings)? Do we still get to have dragonmarked families that are effectively extra-national, extra-rich nobility, and that care about who their scions have kids with because it relates directly to the House's future profit? Or is all that fun, inbred intrigue gone in the name of progress?
Just looking for clarity on this one.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 5:44PM
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Personally I have faith in the gentleman working on it. If they deem this to be better I'll trust them for now. Of course I tend to have a positive attitude about things as a whole.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 5:45PM
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They specifically said that non 'dragonmarked' races developing dragonmarks was NOT NORMAL, its being marked by the prophecy directly, and personally.
Hey! That's exactly what I said :D Well I'm glad they're going with that explanation. As I said before it helps bump up the importance of PCs (and of course BBEGs that only PCs can deal with  ). And given that PCs are suppose to be important in Eberron and D&D 4e, that makes perfect sense.
They will not be founding new houses or be expecting their children to develop marks THEY PERSONALLY have been marked by the prophecy.
Now that's interesting. I hadn't expected that.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 6:11PM
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Nived, did they say anything about the in-world frequency of dragonmarked races getting the dragonmark of a different race (like an elf getting the Mark of Warding)? If it's just a plot/PC only kind of thing, that's not so big a change. I mean, we DMs could've done that in our own campaigns pretty easily, and I'm sure quite a few of us have.
So, what is it, a dragonmark bargain bin free-for-all with Jo Shmoe NPC of any race having any mark, or is it still exceedingly rare to find a dragonmark on any race it doesn't belong to (including 3.5 PHB races, not just dragonborn or tieflings)? Do we still get to have dragonmarked families that are effectively extra-national, extra-rich nobility, and that care about who their scions have kids with because it relates directly to the House's future profit? Or is all that fun, inbred intrigue gone in the name of progress?
Just looking for clarity on this one.
The Dragonmarked Houses aren't going away, they are still what they have been, and they are still made up by the races they have been. The impression that I got, mind you I can't remember exact quotes, that it would not be a free grab bin. It would be possible for PCs to get dragonmarks that don't belong to their race... key word is possible, its not likely, nor is it in the world, the norm.
Aesop had it right 2,500 years ago, "By endeavoring to please everyone, he had pleased no one, and lost his ass in the bargain".
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