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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 4:03AM
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Please, give the new Forgotten Realms maps and nations actual defined borders, like nations in real life.
Throughout history, wars have raged in all regions of the globe over the lines that divide nations. Wars have almost always occured because one nation demands a piece of land that another nation occupies. The middle ages are defined by this concept, as Europe was carved into quantified domains of the various kings. Look at the map of Europe in 1453 and you'll see what I mean.
Medieval games just do not feel real enough when the maps do not show distinct national boundaries. I'd like to recommend to Wizards that..finally...after 3 editions of Forgotten Realms, that the maps come in both Topographical and Political forms. I want to know exactly where the boundary between Sembia and Cormyr lies (and the line of fortifications that would be found there). I want to know where the border between Amn and Tethyr lies. This is an incredibly important element that needs to be included.
For three editions our maps have only been physical/topographical maps. I'd like to see both, because the political boundaries are far far more important than displaying the 4 different terrain types we see.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 7:21AM
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There's only a handful of nations in the Realms that have clearly defined borders in the first place.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 11:49AM
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-The existence of City-States, such as Waterdeep, or Luskan, make this much more difficult. Their boundaries end with their walls, and yet, their area of influence is much greater than that.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 4:32PM
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True, but the borders shown in the 3rd edition FR maps did tend to help players find their bearings as to what part of the continent they were in, as opposed to wondering whether they were in Amn or the heartlands. It would be very useful to have said borders shown on a similar map in either the player or dm supplement for the realms.
Plus, I'd really like to see how the borders of Cormyr have grown in 100 years. Such changes can definitely influence long lived characters who may have had to take drastic measures to survive the 100 year leap.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 5:58PM
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-The existence of City-States, such as Waterdeep, or Luskan, make this much more difficult. Their boundaries end with their walls, and yet, their area of influence is much greater than that.
Historical City-States such as Venice, Milan, Genoa, Bremen, Leon, Orleans, Toulouse, etc worked similar to Waterdeep, but they had definitive realms shown on maps. They extend father than their walls into the lands around them where the peasants work etc.
Waterdeep controls a large territory, but we never get to see it on the maps. If Waterdeep never exerted control over its realm, then they are basically a city that would be constantly under siege. Armies cannot fight from behind walls if they have no food or water.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 6:02PM
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Historical City-States such as Venice, Milan, Genoa, Bremen, Leon, Orleans, Toulouse, etc worked similar to Waterdeep, but they had definitive realms shown on maps. They extend father than their walls into the lands around them where the peasants work etc.
Waterdeep controls a large territory, but we never get to see it on the maps. If Waterdeep never exerted control over its realm, then they are basically a city that would be constantly under siege. Armies cannot fight from behind walls if they have no food or water.
-Yes, which is why I specifically said, "their area of influence is much greater than [their physical boundaries]."
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 6:11PM
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-Yes, which is why I specifically said, "their area of influence is much greater than [their physical boundaries]."
We'll use your terminology then,
Show me their "area of influence" on the map.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 6:24PM
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Even if each nation's "area of influence" reaches beyond its borders, that still infers that there is a border to reach beyond. I want to know what this border is. I mean, look at Thay in 3rd edition FR... they are a eastern nation that has a sphere of influence that encompasses the entire Forgotten Realms. It isn't necessary to show that on the map. We just want to know when we are stepping outside of one area and into another. That's all.
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 6:38PM
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For three editions our maps have only been physical/topographical maps. I'd like to see both, because the political boundaries are far far more important than displaying the 4 different terrain types we see.
As long they're not poster-sized. It would be nice to have full-page maps showing the changes in boundaries in key years (including the Horde Invasion).
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2 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 7:14PM
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The FRCS and PGtF have region based maps showing where each region ends and begins. Waterdeep actually has its own region I believe.
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