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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 7:45AM #1
DND_Brantford
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2008
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I noticed that when i save the monster as an image it fills out some copyright notices on the bottom.

(c) 2009 Wizards of the Coast LLC, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. All rights reserved. This monster statistics block has been generated using the D&D Adventure Tools.


Can i get some more information on this? What is the extend of this?

If i am creating monsters for a an adventure i plan on selling and the monster has all custom powers (nothing duplicated in the system) then who ownes the monster?

My assumption is this copyright is for the icons and the powers used by the system.

If i add a new language called qwerty am i now prohibited from using it because its under WotC's Copyright?

I would just like to see a bit more detail under there and allow my creations to fall under the creative commons licence.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 9:55AM #2
whiteflame74
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I kinda doubt they'll give you any firm answer on this one, you'll have to personally take it up with their legal department, I for one think that anything you'll like to consider your own IP, don't make it up in the monster builder.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 9:58AM #3
Feyberry
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Or just cut that part of the image off and add your own creative commons license at the bottom.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:09AM #4
mudbunny
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Feyberry wrote:

Or just cut that part of the image off and add your own creative commons license at the bottom.


I am not a lawyer, but that seems like a bad idea. If you made it with the Monster Builder, it is subject to the Terms that you accepted when you installed the Monster Builder. If the ToS states that the output is (c) WotC (blahblahblah), then the output is (C) WotC. Simply removing that tag does not change the status and could be a violation of the ToS.

@DND_Brantford - Your best bet is to dig through the EULA/ToS for the Monster Builder and read what is included. That will tell you what rights you have towards the monsters you build/modify, and what rights WotC has.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:16AM #5
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:19AM #6
mudbunny
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Not the right part. You would need to find a part that talks more about the output of the program or something like that.

That part deals mostly with the program itself and only tangentially mentions the output:

[indent]Except as provided by this License, you may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, or create derivative works from any information, software, images, products or services obtained from the Software.[/indent]
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:36AM #7
Feyberry
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That's to cover their IP. Anythign we create with Monster Builder can be created just as easily by anyone halfway competent with a graphics program like photoshop or inkscape or gimp.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:50AM #8
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The "derivative works" thing is what confuses me. Is a completely custom monster a "derivative work"? What if you grab a single power from another creature and edit it? Is the whole monster then a "derivative work"?
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:57AM #9
mudbunny
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Feyberry wrote:

That's to cover their IP. Anythign we create with Monster Builder can be created just as easily by anyone halfway competent with a graphics program like photoshop or inkscape or gimp.


There is a *very* good chance that the image output of the monster builder is considered part of their IP as well. The format of the statblocks for monsters (colour, layout, etc) is certainly part of the IP associated with 4E, so the images output by the Monster builder would be part of that IP as well.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 31, 2009 - 10:59AM #10
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AvonRekaes wrote:

The "derivative works" thing is what confuses me. Is a completely custom monster a "derivative work"? What if you grab a single power from another creature and edit it? Is the whole monster then a "derivative work"?


I have poked some people to see if we can get some sort of answer on this. It being friday, and the fact that tjis probably has to go though the legal department, it *might* take a day or two (ie, not until next week) until we see an answer from WotC.

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