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12 months ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 2:03AM
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In particular, the bard lets you do some funky stuff with paragon multiclassing. (It's only a problem with the bard, because only the bard allows you to select multiclass feats for more than one class, via the "Multiclass Versatility" feature.)
Steps to reproduce:
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Create a bard and set its level to 11.
At Level 1 and Level 2 select multiclass feats for two different classes.
At Levels 4, 8, and 10 select the Novice, Acoltye, and Adept power feats.
Select Paragon Multiclassing as your paragon path.
Observed Result:
You can choose to swap powers from any class you have the multiclass feat for and then qualify for Paragon Multiclassing.
Expected Result:
According to the text you need "the Novice Power, Acoltye Power, and Adept Power feats for a class" to select Paragon Multiclassing. Only by choosing to swap powers from the same class with these three feats should you qualify for Paragon Multiclassing.
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12 months ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 6:21AM
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IMO, that is the intended result, Tichrimo.
Novice Power, Acolyte Power, and Adept Power feats are not class-specific like the entry-level MC feats. Vis-a-vis, if you MC'd in wizard and swordmage and you have the Novice Power feat, you can alternate between a wizard swap and a swordmage swap for that feat every level.
Besides, "a class" is not the same as "one class". :D
Me Kruzko, me bard... And me sing song for you! Explore Philippine Mythology for your 4E game, and visit us at Nosfecatu Publishing!
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12 months ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 7:06AM
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I agree that Novice/Adept/Acolyte Power are not class-specific... But the prerequisites for Paragon Multiclassing are. And while it's true that "a class" doesn't necessarily mean "one class", but "a class" is not the same as "any class" --a phrase used all over the multiclassing stuff-- either... If that is the intent, it sure isn't clearly spelled out, and *that* at least needs to be fixed. 
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12 months ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 7:02PM
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I'd certainly prefer it if the character builder's current functionality was RAI. I certainly think it makes more sense for bards to be able to power swap into any classes they have MC feats for and still qualify for PMC. If this is how you intend it to be, though, Wizards, could you please post an errata or FAQ that clarifies things to put this dog to rest? A short revision of a sentence or two in the multiclassing section of the PHB1, or a slightly more explicit wording of the multiclass versatility in the PHB2, would make things much easier here!
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12 months ago ::
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:35PM
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At best, I believe that you need to have all of your power-swaps set into one class. After thast, however, you are free to re-swap them at every level thereafter. And since re-swapping is not the same as (although CB does put in under) retraining, it does not have the "cannot retrain if you no longer qualify for something else you have" restriction.
My opinion sands, however, that "a class" simply means that you should have the swaps for a class (as opposed to, say, a weapon mastery). From that PoV, I do not see anything wrong with the CB in that regard.
For the record, I fully acknowledge that the rule is open to either interpretation, and I'm not saying that you are incorrect, Tichrimo. I'm just saying that our reading of the rules vary, and I second psk20's request to have this addressed in an FAQ. :D
Me Kruzko, me bard... And me sing song for you! Explore Philippine Mythology for your 4E game, and visit us at Nosfecatu Publishing!
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12 months ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 6:48AM
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Yeah, that one little phrase is the sticky wicket. That sentence becomes a lot more clear if:
- It reads "...from any class..."
- It reads "...from one class..."
- You entirely leave off "...from a class..."
Or better still, if the Bard's Multiclass Versatility feature had a sentence to indicate its intended impact on Paragon Multiclassing.
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12 months ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 1:45PM
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The way this works is:
If you are a bard and want to get into a paragon multiclass you have to choose powers from the same class for all 3 feats and maintain powers from that class. The paragon multiclass must be that same class.
We will be changing CB to match this ruling.
This isn't 100% clear from the PHB but it is how we will be interpreting it going forward.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention so we can fix it and clarify it.
Mike Donais.
Wizards of the Coast R&D
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12 months ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 4:26PM
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Thanks for the response! (Even better since my interpretation matches the intent... )
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12 months ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 5:42PM
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Well, I'll be. :P
Thanks, mdonais, for the timely response. :D I fully accept that my interpretation was incorrect, now.
Me Kruzko, me bard... And me sing song for you! Explore Philippine Mythology for your 4E game, and visit us at Nosfecatu Publishing!
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12 months ago ::
Apr 14, 2009 - 7:35PM
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The way this works is:
If you are a bard and want to get into a paragon multiclass you have to choose powers from the same class for all 3 feats and maintain powers from that class. The paragon multiclass must be that same class.
We will be changing CB to match this ruling.
This isn't 100% clear from the PHB but it is how we will be interpreting it going forward.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention so we can fix it and clarify it.
When I was reading about paragon multiclassing, it never stated that you had to keep those prerequisite power-swap feats. I was hoping I could untrain some of them that I no longer needed...
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