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4 years ago  ::  Aug 12, 2009 - 6:08AM #361
mudbunny
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Trathor wrote:

What? How did this get onto a piracy discussion? Aren't there other threads for that?


Yes, yes there are other threads for discussing WotCs decisions with regards to pdf sales. Discussions on that topic, once started, tend to very rapidly drown out all other attempts at conversation and, more often than not, result in a slide towards flamewars and ORCing of a thread.

Please return to the topic at hand.

Thanks!!

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 12, 2009 - 4:28PM #362
lokiare
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Dragon9 wrote:

First off... can we move past the immature use of dollar signs as S's in company names? It isn't clever, it isn't cute, and it makes what might be a rational well thought out point into a parody at best.

Secondly... any company would think that way regardless of their size. If you think companies who produce pirate-able material are goign to make more money because people will "try before you buy" due to piracy you're are significantly misinformed.

I have to say, that ranks up there on my list of "out of left field" statements I have read on the internet.


I use the $ in Ha$bro and Micro$oft to convey the following statement "[insert company name] is not about its customers or its fanbase, they are entirely money oriented and won't consider a decision based on anything else, unless all choices equal the same financial output". So take it how you want to or ignore it. I don't care. I'm not doing it to be cute or clever. I'm doing it to save myself from having to type a lot of stuff in every post about said companies.

Look here to Check out my adventures and ideas. I've started a blog, about video games, table top role playing games, programming, and many other things its called Kel and Lok Games. I'm looking for players for a 4E fantasy grounds game.Swallowed Lich's Implement, help please.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 12, 2009 - 4:49PM #363
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lokiare wrote:

I use the $ in Ha$bro and Micro$oft to convey the following statement "[insert company name] is not about its customers or its fanbase, they are entirely money oriented and won't consider a decision based on anything else, unless all choices equal the same financial output".


Well, be prepared to add a $ to every company name then because no company is going to sail down a river of red ink just to make their customer base happy. Every company is money oriented. If they're not, they don't say in business. That's just a silly, silly statement.

Back on topic (sorry Mudbunny!):

25 people on a forum thread saying they want something are not going to make a company (any company) change it's mind about something. Having said company receive hundreds and hundreds of emails/letters/phone calls (unique, not hundreds from the same 5 people ) for it will get them to change their mind. Hitting them significantly in the pocketbook will do it too.

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 12, 2009 - 9:32PM #364
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Dragon9 wrote:

Well, be prepared to add a $ to every company name then because no company is going to sail down a river of red ink just to make their customer base happy. Every company is money oriented. If they're not, they don't say in business. That's just a silly, silly statement.

Back on topic (sorry Mudbunny!):

25 people on a forum thread saying they want something are not going to make a company (any company) change it's mind about something. Having said company receive hundreds and hundreds of emails/letters/phone calls (unique, not hundreds from the same 5 people ) for it will get them to change their mind. Hitting them significantly in the pocketbook will do it too.


Actually there are such companies, but they are usually run by an individual and not a corporation. So until these companies start acting in a way that is different I will feel justified.

Look here to Check out my adventures and ideas. I've started a blog, about video games, table top role playing games, programming, and many other things its called Kel and Lok Games. I'm looking for players for a 4E fantasy grounds game.Swallowed Lich's Implement, help please.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 13, 2009 - 5:26AM #365
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Hasbro is still majority owned by the Hassenfeld family, you can see this as they haven't shut wizards down despite the downward tumble of Magic (the reason they bought it in the first place).

Its also a matter of public record who owns controlling interest in Hasbro (like all publically traded companies).

Every company has to have profit in consideration or in a capitalistic society (like we are) they will be driven out business.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 13, 2009 - 5:42AM #366
lokiare
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Aluman wrote:

Hasbro is still majority owned by the Hassenfeld family, you can see this as they haven't shut wizards down despite the downward tumble of Magic (the reason they bought it in the first place).

Its also a matter of public record who owns controlling interest in Hasbro (like all publically traded companies).

Every company has to have profit in consideration or in a capitalistic society (like we are) they will be driven out business.


Actually it doesn't matter who has majority ownership, because it is the job of the board of directors to make sure the stock prices don't dip, and to make money for the company. I think stock holders might be able to out vote the board on occasion, but they would have to be in it for something other than the money to have the motivation. Most stockholders want money too. As that is the idea behind stock in a company.

Look here to Check out my adventures and ideas. I've started a blog, about video games, table top role playing games, programming, and many other things its called Kel and Lok Games. I'm looking for players for a 4E fantasy grounds game.Swallowed Lich's Implement, help please.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 13, 2009 - 6:09AM #367
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The topic. Return to it please.
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4 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2009 - 1:01PM #368
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I figure the only way WOTC ever moves forward and develops mac (or cross-platform) applications is if those of us who don't normally say anything at all around here finally speak up.  So here I am, adding just one more vote/voice.


WOTC, please develop your software applications and the Character Builder (particularly) to be cross-platform and mac-friendly.


Personally, I am completely platform-neutral, so this has nothing to do with platform merits.  There are 9 people in my gaming group, and at least 3 of us use macs.  And 1 of those is the DM.


I also work at a University, and while Windows certainly dominates the business/commercial market, Apple has a very significant portion of the home/personal/educational computing market- particularly amongst your target demographics (under 40).  Apple's home user share is much higher than Apple's ~10% share overall (including all business users) would indicate.  I'm not aware of actual stats, but I'd guess mac HOME (and school, etc., eliminating all business-only use) users in the US are probably more like 25%-33% of the market- if not even more.  At my University the balance between Windows and Mac OS is probably about 50/50 amongst student users.  And I'm guessing the vast majority of D&D players are using their D&D software on a home computer, and not on a business/work computer.


Develop for the mac.  Please.  To not do so is incredibly short-sighted.  Not that the mac is going to suddenly become the platform of choice for the majority of computer users, but mac users are nonetheless a rather significant portion of the community.  To unnecessarily (unnecessary because cross-platform development is entirely possible and feasible) eliminate/ignore/frustrate any portion of your customer base is just really bad practice.  It hurts them and it ultimately hurts you.  It even hurts the rest of the Windows-using D&D community, as they miss out on the full participation and enthusiasm of their mac-using peers.  Lose-lose-lose for everybody.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 15, 2009 - 9:20PM #369
Drivingmenuts
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I also would like to see the Character Builder run on a Mac. I'm not super-thrilled about having to load up an emulator package just to run Windows, just to run the Character Builder (it's definitely not worth installing Bootcamp for). Given that the Mac platform is relatively easy to develop for (even using .NET), its rather surprising that WoTC chose to lock out Mac users the way they did.


Honestly, I'm a little on the fence about the value of the DnDInsider subscription and this is definitely pushing me away from it.


For the record, I use all three major OSes at work, but Mac (with a Windows emulator occasionally) at home and elsewhere.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 23, 2009 - 11:36AM #370
metalhawk
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For what it's worth, there are 7 in our group and we ALL have Macs. *I* have to bring my machines (win laptop, fusion VM) so that the DM and/or players can update the characters every time we play. We're completely frustrated by the lack of Mac support, and you'd gain several subscriptions by supporting the platform.


 

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