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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 7:19AM #51
wraith808
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2010
Posts: 62
There's a difference between infringement and a crime.  A civil matter is not a crime.  It is infringement period.  And how do we know what Wizards internal ability to green light something like this is?  Has anyone asked?  It wouldn't be utilizing their resources, and such things have happened before.  My point is it's easier to whinge and moan about what Wizards will or won't do than to actually put action where your mouth is and do something about it.

Truthfully it matters not a whit to me as I use whatever tool is best for the job at hand instead of evangelizing any OS; all of them have their ups and downs.  And because of this, no matter what platform they made it for, it would be just as easy for me to utilize it.  I'm actually glad they didn't use a cross platform language, as unless those efforts are done correctly, they are usually made into lesser products in exchange.  There are exceptions, but for the most part that's my experience.  And I'm also glad they didn't make it a web app- it's very useful to be able to use it offline and I like having control of my data.  But perhaps if someone who does care would actually make contact or do something instead of just talking, then I could respect that stance more than just being able to come here and type a few words and click a post button...
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 8:24AM #52
TheyCallMeTomuReborn
Date Joined: Mar 5, 2009
Posts: 2,727
The difference between infringement and crime is an issue of semantics that really doesn't change anything about the topic of conversation we're having, so I'll just agree to your definitions and leave it at that. It sounds like the lines of someone who hates the overzealous anti-piracy laws that are out there, that treat downloading MP3s as a criminal crime where you get to go to jail, and want to emphasize the distinction to show how inconsistent that is. And I fully agree with that standpoint. But I don't think that it really has any bearing here.

Well, that's entirely disrespectful to just assume that people who do care haven't tried contacting Wizards. I mean, don't you think people already have? Frankly, I don't use a Mac. I don't care about Mac support, and I agree that a multi-OS capable program would probably be a lot less powerful. All I'm saying is that your initial recommendation is entirely unrealistic. It doesn't make the complaints about not having Mac support any more valid. Especially since, if I recall, Microsoft runs on a Mac now, so you should be able to just install a Microsoft OS and then run the DDI builder under it. Though, that of course requires getting a legitimate installation of Microsoft...

In the end, it's completely ridiculous to berate the consumers for bellyaching about a product. That's what consumers do. Producers hear the rattling echoes of consumer opinion and, at least if they're savy, listen to it to decide what to produce. I think the push for Mac support is misguided-but if the movement is really *that significant* then that should be known-and, knowing that, Wizards can decide whether or not to produce a Mac OS supported program. My personal guess is that "it's more complicated than that" so that's not going to happen. But making the implication that the people who want Mac support just "aren't trying hard enough" is basically insulting. It's not their job to make their own programs-they don't have the time, skill, training, or resources to do so. There are people who do-and they have their own reasons for not making such a program.

Of course, there are any number of other slapped together programs out there on the web for 4E or any other game that's created to serve much the same purpose, and a simple web search can find them. But the thing that they lack is *direct access* to the proprietary content of WotC, so, they're at a disadvantage.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 9:48AM #53
wraith808
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2010
Posts: 62
The difference between infringement and crime is not an issue of semantics.  A crime you can face jail time for... infringement you cannot.  A crime is a violation of law, while an infringement is not.  If you sue someone for infringement and get a judgement against them and they violate the judgement- that's still not against the law.  You can however get them cited for contempt of court, in which case they will then be in violation of the law.

And it's in no way disrespectful.  If someone contacted wizards and wizards said no- then stand up and say so, and the argument will not hold water.  If no one has, and does so and wizards says no, let that be known too.  But my right to bellyache about their bellyaching is just as valid as their right to bellyache, is it not?
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 4:31PM #54
TheyCallMeTomuReborn
Date Joined: Mar 5, 2009
Posts: 2,727
Oh crap, I just got Phoenix Wrighted with that last line of yours. Caused my glasses to explode!

Except my counter attack, of course, which is that you have a right to bitch about their bitching, and I have a right to bitch about your bitching about their bitching. Moreover, you really didn't address the issue of the consumer not being the programmer-especially since, hey, they're mac users!

As for the first issue, yes, it is an issue of semantics. When I use the word "crime" in this context I mean that it is an action in which one gets punished. It doesn't mean jailtime, and perhaps that just means that I'm using the word improperly-but discussing the improper usage of words is the core of semantics and, moreover, in this context, is a complete red herring.

But in any event, it's rather a silly thing to argue over.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 02, 2010 - 5:31PM #55
wraith808
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2010
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Oh crap, I just got Phoenix Wrighted with that last line of yours.  Caused my glasses to explode!

Except my counter attack, of  course, which is that you have a right to bitch about their bitching,  and I have a right to bitch about your bitching about their bitching.

Hah.  You narrowly escaped.  Though I was going more for an OOTS type moment.

Moreover, you really didn't address the issue of the consumer not being  the programmer-especially since, hey, they're mac users!

Didn't notice that... my counter to that is you don't have to know programming to gripe, but the adjunct to that is that you don't have to know programming to lead either.

As for the first issue, yes, it is an issue of semantics. When I use the  word "crime" in this context I mean that it is an action in which one  gets punished. It doesn't mean jailtime, and perhaps that just means  that I'm using the word improperly-but discussing the improper usage of  words is the core of semantics and, moreover, in this context, is a  complete red herring.

Perhaps a red herring, but not a complete one, as anyone in prison for a crime (or suffering the after effects of being convicted of one) would agree, I'm sure.

But in any event, it's rather a silly thing to argue over.

On that, we can agree.  And well played, sir.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 16, 2010 - 8:10PM #56
Dandrix
Date Joined: Dec 31, 2009
Posts: 2
I have a very simple question.  I am thinking of becoming a DDI subscriber.  But I want to know is, if the Character Builder is up today with all the errata and updates from the  PH1, PH2, PH3, and all the other 4E game supplements?  Or does it just have some minor errata and updates from the original Character Builder demo?
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2010 - 7:02AM #57
TheyCallMeTomuReborn
Date Joined: Mar 5, 2009
Posts: 2,727
The character builder is fully updated with all errata. A lot of people actually don't like to use the errata because it's "too much to keep up with" or some such, so if you actually use an updated character builder, keep in mind that everything will be updated-which often constitutes a nerf.

Personally, I wish there was a resource that gathered all the non-player specific rules components. Things that are in neither the monster manual (covered in the Adventure Builder) or in powers/feats/gear (Character Builder). Like the changes to Dominate. There's gotta be an easier way to sort through those kind of changes.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 28, 2010 - 10:44PM #58
Simmons85k
Date Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Posts: 3
Ok, this may have already been answered but what happened to the Character Visualizer?
That was the only reason I even downloaded the Character Builder.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 29, 2010 - 9:17AM #59
wraith808
Date Joined: Jun 1, 2010
Posts: 62
That's the first I've ever heard of that term... what's the Character Visualizer?
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3 years ago  ::  Jul 05, 2010 - 7:21PM #60
Stormmagus
Date Joined: Jul 5, 2010
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    Heres a highly important question, when are they going to add the rest of the books to the character builder.  A few suggestions would be "Races of Faerun", "Miniatures Handbook", Van Richten's Monster Hunter Compendium", and "Lost Empires of Faerun".  Just to name a few.
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