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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:17PM
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Hey all. I wanted to take a couple minutes to give everyone an idea of what to expect for the July 7th D&D Insider update. First, here’s what to expect in the Character Builder update:
- Psion Class – Early PH3 material, developed and ready to play!
- Eberron Player’s Guide Data.
- Information from May Dragon and Dungeon.
- Updated Hybrid rules and information.
- Ability to Duplicate and hide power cards.
- Other changes to the character sheet and power cards such as primary background information appearing in the Summary text and bold faced headers on power cards.
I’m definitely looking forward to checking out the psion mechanics and playing around with different builds, and I’m guessing a lot of you feel the same. Just in time to combine it with the Kalashtar from Eberron. While I’m excited about those changes, as a DM, the thing that got me really going was the inclusion of traps and hazards in the Compendium. That’s right – starting July 7th traps and hazards will be added and updated on a regular basis just like the rest of the crunchy information from the published material. I know this is something that a lot of us in the community have wanted, so thanks to everyone for submitting requests and feedback along those lines. That about wraps it up for me - Just a couple more notes. As usual, you should expect to see an article with more information as we get closer to the data release on the 7th - I just wanted to share what I had at this moment. Also don’t forget - the price change happens July 2nd, so if you like what you’re seeing and you want to lock in the current price, you only have a couple days left.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:20PM
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While I’m excited about those changes, as a DM, the thing that got me really going was the inclusion of traps and hazards in the Compendium. That’s right – starting July 7th traps and hazards will be added and updated on a regular basis just like the rest of the crunchy information from the published material. I know this is something that a lot of us in the community have wanted, so thanks to everyone for submitting requests and feedback along those lines. Woohoo!
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:23PM
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Awesome, this is a happy day for DDI. I wish I could pay for another year now, but don't have the money >< But oh well I got my subscription till October I can easily save up the little bit of money to pay for another year then.
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:24PM
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While I’m excited about those changes, as a DM, the thing that got me really going was the inclusion of traps and hazards in the Compendium. That’s right – starting July 7th traps and hazards will be added and updated on a regular basis just like the rest of the crunchy information from the published material. I know this is something that a lot of us in the community have wanted, so thanks to everyone for submitting requests and feedback along those lines. Will they also show in the Encounter builder?
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:27PM
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Woot! Thanks WOTC_Trevor! Really looking forward to this update!
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 6:35PM
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8 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2009 - 11:32PM
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While I’m excited about those changes, as a DM, the thing that got me really going was the inclusion of traps and hazards in the Compendium. Will this include traps in RPGA adventures?
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 1:02AM
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Any idea when revenants will be added to the character builder?
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 2:21AM
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Revenents come out on the first tuesday in August.
Mike Donais. Wizards of the Coast R&D
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 2:22AM
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Will this include traps in RPGA adventures? Yes, I think so.
Mike Donais. Wizards of the Coast R&D
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 7:43AM
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Traps and Hazards!
WoooO!!!!!
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 7:46AM
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Fan-damn-tastic!
Also, I believe the Wilden race is getting added?
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 8:02AM
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Pretty awesome update month! Thanks Trevor for the news, Mike and his team for the work, and WotC for hearing the people!
Long Live the Lance! Give us 4e DL!
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 12:42PM
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- Dragon Slayer
- If only he would apply himself
- Dammit Jim, this is Star Trek, not D&D!
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Fantastic news on the traps and hazards. I do hope the ones in Dragon/Dungeon Magazine articles are included, as well as the ones from RPGA mods.
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 12:49PM
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Fantastic news on the traps and hazards. I do hope the ones in Dragon/Dungeon Magazine articles are included, as well as the ones from RPGA mods. The traps and hazards for Dragon and Dungeon should be inluded just like other content from the magazines. Mike believes that the RPGA ones will be included as well, and you can't get much closer to the source than him.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 12:53PM
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Revenents come out on the first tuesday in August. This disgusts me. Why do we have to wait till August?
EDIT: I don't mean to be rude. Let me say, I'm just irritated cause I've been building revenant concepts by hand for a few weeks and was really looking forward to it being in the CB. Why do we get the Psion but not the Revenant?
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 1:01PM
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This disgusts me. Why do we have to wait till August?
EDIT: I don't mean to be rude. Let me say, I'm just irritated cause I've been building revenant concepts by hand for a few weeks and was really looking forward to it being in the CB. Why do we get the Psion but not the Revenant? I'm sorry this has upset you falcon, but currently the Dungeon and Dragon data is compiled once the month finishes, and we're just not able to get it all in by the first tuesday of the next month - which is sometimes only a couple days after the month ends. So the Dragon and Dungeon updates you get to the DDI tools are generally from two months previous. So in July, the bulk of the information added will be from May's information.
Adding the Psion to July was something that has been planned for a while and the data was coded to be in the July release. I know everyone here would love to get all the data in the tools as soon as possible, but we're just not able to get everything in the system between the end of one month and the next update
I love the revenant too, and I wish we had it now, but the reality is it will be in the CB in a month and we'll be able to play around with it at that point.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 1:09PM
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I'm sorry this has upset you falcon, but currently the Dungeon and Dragon data is compiled once the month finishes, and we're just not able to get it all in by the first tuesday of the next month - which is sometimes only a couple days after the month ends. So the Dragon and Dungeon updates you get to the DDI tools are generally from two months previous. So in July, the bulk of the information added will be from May's information.
Adding the Psion to July was something that has been planned for a while and the data was coded to be in the July release. I know everyone here would love to get all the data in the tools as soon as possible, but we're just not able to get everything in the system between the end of one month and the next update
I love the revenant too, and I wish we had it now, but the reality is it will be in the CB in a month and we'll be able to play around with it at that point. Thanks for the response Trevor. I honestly hadn't been paying attention to when content from the magazines made it into the CB. I guess since the books make it in the month after they release I had assumed the articles worked the same way. Your explanation makes perfect sense. I guess I'll just have to wait. *pout*
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 4:12PM
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<\ \>tuntman
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 8:13PM
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I wasn't interested in psionics until I saw this thread. Now I'm like "Ooooooo! Gimmie, gimmie, gimmie!"
I'd actually rather have the Revenant first, but it is what it is. I can wait another month. Will the Hybrid stuff that gets in have any updates beyond the last playtest article, or is it just the material from last month?
Long Live the Lance! Give us 4e DL!
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8 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2009 - 9:53PM
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Sounds like it will be a great update. I was looking forward to the Wilden in the last update, so I hope they are in this one. Can we get a confirmation of this?
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 8:22AM
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I'd still like a clarification on why we moved updates to the first Tuesday of the month if we're not going to get Dragon and Dungeon from the previous month (e.g., June Dragon in July CB update). I asked this question then and if I did get a response, I don't remember hearing one.
If your content isn't being written far enough ahead of time to be entered into the databases, I have a hard time imagining that it's being playtested, and I'm pretty sure someone claimed that all Dragon & Dungeon content goes through the same editorial process as the hardcover books (so maybe the implication is that the hc books aren't playtested... there's certainly been some things there that seem like glaring oversights).
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 8:34AM
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Will they also show in the Encounter builder? Poor guy, everyone's ignoring you! 
No, afaik the bonus tools are "as is" and will never be updated in any way. I think similar tools might be available in the upcoming campaign tools; we shall see.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 10:02AM
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If your content isn't being written far enough ahead of time to be entered into the databases, I have a hard time imagining that it's being playtested.... The material is created, playtested and put in article form. Coding it for Character Builder is a completely seperate process, and you wouldn't do that until all the other steps are done. You wouldn't start implementing the data while the material is being playtested. So it seems pretty feasible that the material is playtested, and then put into an article, and then put into the tools at a later date.
Getting the update on that first Tuesday [EDIT] section removed because it was straight up wrong - replacement coming soon hopefully [/EDIT] . It does have the added side effect of making us wait a little bit longer to get our Dragon and Dungeon content however.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 10:03AM
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Will they also show in the Encounter builder? Sad to say that the encounter builder will not have the traps and hazards information for this release. If this changes, I'll let you know.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 12:22PM
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Poor guy, everyone's ignoring you! 
No, afaik the bonus tools are "as is" and will never be updated in any way. I think similar tools might be available in the upcoming campaign tools; we shall see. Yeah, but since the Encounter Builder seems to pull its info from the Compendium, I was hoping.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 12:56PM
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The material is created, playtested and put in article form. Coding it for Character Builder is a completely seperate process, and you wouldn't do that until all the other steps are done. You wouldn't start implementing the data while the material is being playtested. So it seems pretty feasible that the material is playtested, and then put into an article, and then put into the tools at a later date.
Getting the update on that first Tuesday allows us to get the book content in their sooner. It does have the added side effect of making us wait a little bit longer to get our Dragon and Dungeon content however. OK, I'll buy that you don't want to do data entry twice and you have to wait for playtesting, which might be cutting it close esepcially for articles that are later in the month which might be playtested still in the middle of the month (one wonders, aloud, what the turnaround time on that really is... how far out are they writing, how long is stuff playtested, etc... one thinks this might actually be a good column topic for an editorial or &).
Old model: Books released on 3rd Tuesdays, new content on last Tuesday, worst-case this was 2 weeks later on the 5th Tuesday. Best-case: a month with only 4 Tuesdays means you got the new content one week later. New model: Books released on 3rd Tuesdays, new content on first Tuesday, worst-case this is 3 weeks later when the release month has 5 Tuesdays. Example: Eberron Player's Guide. Best-case: if the release month has only 4 Tuesdays, you get the new content two weeks later.
Considering that you have the same relative amount of time between each book release -- typically one month between major releases, for example, EPG in June, Divine Power in July (I don't expect much from ECG to need to go into the Compendium), then you could just as arbitrarily say "we're doing all updates on the 15th of the month", except then you'd always have 30 (except Feb-March) days to get the next set of data entry done. As-is, sometimes you have 5 weeks and sometimes you have 4 between data entry deadlines, assuming each deadline is something like "5 days before the patch day." (That's arbitrary -- as long as the deadline is something specific like "X days" or "X weeks" before the patch day, it's all the same.) You get some bonus on those 35-day cycles, but you have fewer days most of the time in your 28-day cycles.
Since the hardcover books obviously need a longer lead time since they're off at the publisher/printer long before the data entry deadlines, you could easily be working on data entry (and QA, etc.) long before the book actually comes out. I certainly hope that you're not waiting for the hardcover release date to start coding... that would be nuts, and while there are some detractors here who would accuse you (collectively, that is, WotC) of being such, I'm not one.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 3:20PM
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one thinks this might actually be a good column topic for an editorial or &. I whole heartedly agree that this would be an awesome article, and I hope we see something like this at some point in the future. I'm personally under the impression that the material is playtested for quite a while before it gets to the article stage, but it would be nice to read about the process used. I know this is something we'd all like to see so I have prodded accordingly.
As to what I said about getting the books out earlier - totally false. I walked away from my desk to head to a meeting after that post and immediately started doubting what I had written. For some reason I had it in my head that the books that were released in one month in the old system of updates at end of month, weren't included in CB and Compendium until the next month. Totaly not the case as those were included in the tools in the same month they were released. I must have mixed it up with the magazine releases - sorry about that 
I'll edit my previous post to get rid of the completely false statement. I'll also see if I can hunt down more informatoin about why we made that date change from the last week to the first tuesday of the next month.
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2009 - 9:28AM
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I think that a lot of customers are just confused about the benefits of moving the CB and Compendium updates from the third week of the month to the first week of the following month. For me a new supplement like the Power books come out in the middle of the month and before the change in the online tools schedule we get the updates in the tools the following week. From my point of view, the material is available in the online tools later than before. It just seems like the online tools have been shifted by half a month. This may affect some customers who end up missing an update because of the time of month when they first subscribed to DDI.
The online tools updates for DDI material doesn't really change since we get articles every other day. If anything the one update that got delayed with the shift of the schedule would contain an extra half month of updates. I'm not sure exactly what material from DDI is included in the old online tool update. I haven't kept track of every DDI article to see if it is in the CB or Compendium. If you can explain (again) what updates we got in the old schedule and what we get with the new schedule it would help customers understand the reason for the change.
For me personally, I only pay attention to the material that I am interested in. The Power books and the Hybrid Characters article is at the top of my list. The change in schedule makes it appear that I have to wait an extra few weeks to get the updates in the online tools with regard to these item. Perhaps there are benefits to the schedule change, but for other DDI material that I am less interested in. If so, it may be just me that is missing out and other customers are seeing the benefits. It could be that material in DDI articles that come out later in the month now appear sooner in the online tools and I just don't notice because I may not be as interested in those articles as other customers.
In any case, I am still satisfied with the online tools. It's just bad timing for my specific case because we plan to play this weekend (with a hybrid PC). We just have to write out the modifications on the sheet with a pen. No big deal. Just would have been nice to not have to do that.
<\ \>tuntman
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8 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2009 - 10:15AM
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I'll edit my previous post to get rid of the completely false statement. I'll also see if I can hunt down more informatoin about why we made that date change from the last week to the first tuesday of the next month. Has this change actually made things worse for Dragon/Dungeon content since before you had a few weeks to get the data in, now because the first Tuesday is only a few days after you can't hit that deadline so it has to come a whole month later?
Or were you missing the 3rd Tuesday for the last month's Dragon/Dungeon data previously (so having to wait another month) so the reason for the shift was to give yourselves and extra week, so you could at least get it in then.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2009 - 10:51AM
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Well, let me at least provide a recap:
OLD SYSTEM: Dungeon compilation issue: last Wednesday of the month Dragon compilation issue: last Monday or Friday of the month (whichever is later) New hardcover books: Third Tuesday of the month CB & Compendium update: Last Tuesday of the month CB & Compendium contents: Dragon & Dungeon from previous month (not the ones you've just been reading all month); hardcover book contents
New system: DUN/DRA compliation issues: no change CB update: First Tuesday of the month (one week later than previously) CB content: No change, except that now we also get PH3 preview content that does not appear in DUN or DRA
The only change was that there's an extra week between when materials are release (hardcover books OR compilation issues) and when the CB update that has their data is out.
Previously, it was 1-2 weeks for hardcover books (if the month had 5 Tuesdays, which happens about 4 times a year, it was 2 weeks, else it was 1 week; this is an average of (8*1 + 4*2) / 12 = 1.33 weeks.
Previous, it was 4-5 weeks (sometimes 3 weeks, 6 days) for DUN/DRA content. Again, if the long case happens 4 times a year, that's (8*4 + 4*5) / 12 = 4.33 weeks.
Now, we have an extra week, hardcover books come out in 2-3 weeks, so 2.33 weeks on average, or 5.33 weeks on average for DUN/DRA content. The DUN/DRA isn't such a big deal since we're already waiting a long time on average, but many many people expected that the move was designed so we wouldn't have to wait, because you'd always have the compilation issues out (although in some cases only by one day) before the first tuesday of the next month. The hardcover books are more irritating -- many people use D&Di as an alternative to buying the books, I don't think that's any shock or big secret. Now people who are doing that have to wait 75% longer than before, not quite twice as long, but still very annoying.
[conspiracy theory=on] Perhaps that's the secret reason -- they want more people to buy the books, and they hope that by making them wait an extra week, they'll get impatient and just go buy the book instead of waiting for d&di to have it. [/conspiracy theory]
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8 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2009 - 1:18PM
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Will there be any sort of article or anything for the Psion outside the character builder? Because, as a Mac user, I don't have access to the builder, and while I've sort of made my peace with that, not being able to see any preview classes being offered would kinda tick me off.
I assume they'll also be in the compendium (they will, right?), which is something, but still...
EDIT: Looks like I answered my own question.
"Player's Handbook 3 Debut: The Psion By Bruce R. Cordell Featuring commentary from the staff that worked on the new psion class, this article supports the psion class debut in the D&D Character Builder and Compendium."
Cool.
EDIT 2: Just read what was said in another thread. Not so cool. At least it's in the compendium, but as a Mac user, I'm definitely getting the short end of the stick.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 02, 2009 - 1:42PM
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Well, let me at least provide a recap:
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Now, we have an extra week, hardcover books come out in 2-3 weeks, so 2.33 weeks on average, or 5.33 weeks on average for DUN/DRA content. The DUN/DRA isn't such a big deal since we're already waiting a long time on average, but many many people expected that the move was designed so we wouldn't have to wait, because you'd always have the compilation issues out (although in some cases only by one day) before the first tuesday of the next month. The hardcover books are more irritating -- many people use D&Di as an alternative to buying the books, I don't think that's any shock or big secret. Now people who are doing that have to wait 75% longer than before, not quite twice as long, but still very annoying. Thanks for the recap. For me a least, I just seems I have to wait an extra week or two than before. The extra preview material is nice. I guess that's to make up for the delay. We get CB/Compendium updates later, but PHB3 material sooner.
<\ \>tuntman
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8 months ago ::
Jul 03, 2009 - 1:07PM
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Ability to Duplicate and hide power cards. Finally!
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 4:45AM
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IF what you said about stuff from may doesn't see print till july and we have to wait 2 months to see whats in the works now released then does that mean you could post for us a list of what to expect 2 months down the track i hate surprises but love waiting with anticipation in might also get the whiners off your backs, so go on trev how bout you tell us what to expect in the August update, i for one am already grinding my teeth waiting for the revenant, what else you got for me, Divine power maybe?
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 7:00AM
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
- Dragon Slayer
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IF what you said about stuff from may doesn't see print till july and we have to wait 2 months to see whats in the works now released then does that mean you could post for us a list of what to expect 2 months down the track i hate surprises but love waiting with anticipation in might also get the whiners off your backs, so go on trev how bout you tell us what to expect in the August update, i for one am already grinding my teeth waiting for the revenant, what else you got for me, Divine power maybe? Divine Power is a book this month, so it should be in the August 4th update, yes. 
Though I'm not Trevor, I do see threads faster/more often.
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play and Avalon Hill DDi Guide Interested in judging D&D at PAX EAST? Fill out this PDF [Link fixed - 2/8/10].
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 10:46AM
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Content updates in August:
Githzerai race with some racial feats and a racial PP. Divine Power Eberron Campaign Guide Players Handbook Heroes 2 DDM Minis Eberron Adventure: Seekers of the Ashen Crown June Dragon and Dungeon magazines
Other than that probably more bug fixes and tweaks to the UI.
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 1:52PM
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I'm trying to establish mid-monthly posts where I share what's coming in the next month's update.
Yes, you can expect content from July Book releases in the August update as Wolfstar points out, and the Revenant will be in the Character Builder and Compendium as well.
I'd expect to see more information from me in the afore-mentioned post next week - though I have knee surgery early next week, so the details and specifics may be enhanced by a vicodin or percocet induced haze :P
Trevor Kidd D&D Community Manager
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 2:56PM
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I have knee surgery early next week, so the details and specifics may be enhanced by a vicodin or percocet induced haze :P Eek, good luck. I've had my knee operated on three times now - thankfully I work with computers and can sit most of the day. Take it easy!
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8 months ago ::
Jul 08, 2009 - 4:08PM
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Content updates in August:
Githzerai race with some racial feats and a racial PP. Divine Power Eberron Campaign Guide Players Handbook Heroes 2 DDM Minis Eberron Adventure: Seekers of the Ashen Crown June Dragon and Dungeon magazines
Other than that probably more bug fixes and tweaks to the UI. :D Let the grinding of teeth in anticipation begin, it will be a welcome sight after i too have key hole surgery on a hernia in my groin, nothing to do but rest for six weeks but make characters and play 4e. How sweet it is! thanks guys for helping to answer my queery so promptly, now how about whats in the september one lol
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