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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 8:43AM
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I take offense at you calling me lazy or that I'm lying about something.
I take offense at the fact you call WoTC liars and such. Don't do what you don't like being done to you. Most of us are taught that as a child.
Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that people might have bought the 4e books based on all the Youtube vids and the ad in the books? I know we can't all be as smart as you, but give us a break. There's no need to insult us.
You insult yourself.
I do accept some, but a small some, bought the books hoping for the VTT, and learned it hadn't worked out like you hoped after buying the books. Like I said, you could have returned them.
Like I've said, the VTT won't teach you how to play the game, which is a near complete overhaul. If so, you won't have bought the books, because you wouldn't have needed the books.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that WoTC didn't false advertise, didn't lie, didn't deceive, and aren't greedy bastards?
Oh I know why. But it's my opinion, and probably against the CoC to post my opinion on why.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 8:50AM
#352
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They didn't post that the VTT was put on the back burner on the front page.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 8:50AM
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Come on now. I'm one of those people that pre-ordered the 4e books based on the VTT.
..... But why? It was stated, and I believe stated multiple times, that the VTT would not deal with rules. It was to be, and probably still will be, rules neutral. There was no need to switch to 4th edition to make use of the VTT. You can play 4th edtio, 3rd edition, 3.5, 2nd edition, or pretty much any other game that uses a grid, pieces, or die(I'm willing to bet you could play both chess and Yatzee on it if you tried). So why would you switch editions just to use it? I just can't understand this line of thinking. Someone explain it to me.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 8:55AM
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..... But why? It was stated, and I believe stated multiple times, that the VTT would not deal with rules. It was to be, and probably still will be, rules neutral. There was no need to switch to 4th edition to make use of the VTT. You can play 4th edtio, 3rd edition, 3.5, 2nd edition, or pretty much any other game that uses a grid, pieces, or die(I'm willing to bet you could play both chess and Yatzee on it if you tried). So why would you switch editions just to use it? I just can't understand this line of thinking. Someone explain it to me.
I remember hearing/seeing the analogy to a DVD with Bonus Features being touted a few times.
The game (4E) is the DVD with the movie on it. It's what you're REALLY buying - it's the meat and potatoes.
The DDI features are what you would get on a bonus disc - extras that are nice to have, but without 4E they're of relatively little use.
It seems to me that many people have the analogy backward - that somehow 4E is useless without the "bonus features" of DDI.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 8:56AM
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I take offense at the fact you call WoTC liars and such. Don't do what you don't like being done to you. Most of us are taught that as a child.
I never said they were liars. I said I understand the circumstances. Why would you say that I called them liars?
Like I've said, the VTT won't teach you how to play the game, which is a near complete overhaul. If so, you won't have bought the books, because you wouldn't have needed the books.
Why do you think that I don't understand what the VTT is? I know it's only an online medium to play the game over. I know that it doesn't come with automated rules. Quit making false statements about what I said.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that WoTC didn't false advertise, didn't lie, didn't deceive, and aren't greedy bastards?
I never said anything about them false advertising, lying, deceiving or being greedy bastards. I said that it was long after I had bought my books they said they were putting the VTT on the back burner.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:00AM
#356
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..... But why? It was stated, and I believe stated multiple times, that the VTT would not deal with rules. It was to be, and probably still will be, rules neutral. There was no need to switch to 4th edition to make use of the VTT. You can play 4th edtio, 3rd edition, 3.5, 2nd edition, or pretty much any other game that uses a grid, pieces, or die(I'm willing to bet you could play both chess and Yatzee on it if you tried). So why would you switch editions just to use it? I just can't understand this line of thinking. Someone explain it to me.
I understand the edition/game neutrality of the VTT. But it was marketed with 4e and so I bought into that. My regular group wanted to stick with 3.5. I figured most of the games available on the VTT would be 4e. And I wanted to play 4e. The VTT was going to be my best shot. I have kids, work, etc.. and didn't want to mess around with finding another local game to join.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:02AM
#357
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But really my main issue at this point is not with how WoTC handled things. It's with people like Dane saying people like me are liars and lazy.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:08AM
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They didn't post that the VTT was put on the back burner on the front page.
That's not what is being talked about. If you can't follow along, it's hard to have a conversation.
The point I was making wasn't about the VTT being back burnered.
It was about how people say they bought the books when they came out (Launch of 4E) expecting a VTT. That is what people are talking about false advertisement of DDI is about.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:14AM
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That's not what is being talked about. If you can't follow along, it's hard to have a conversation.
The point I was making wasn't about the VTT being back burnered.
It was about how people say they bought the books when they came out (Launch of 4E) expecting a VTT. That is what people are talking about false advertisement of DDI is about.
Yeah, I know what you were talking about. You were talking about the tools being delayed. I already said that I knew that and it was fine.
It's also hard to have a conversation with someone who thinks that any one's experience other than his own is not genuine.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:17AM
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I understand the edition/game neutrality of the VTT. But it was marketed with 4e and so I bought into that. My regular group wanted to stick with 3.5. I figured most of the games available on the VTT would be 4e. And I wanted to play 4e. The VTT was going to be my best shot. I have kids, work, etc.. and didn't want to mess around with finding another local game to join.
I see the kids/work reason posted lots of time.
Outside of having to travel to a friends house, how is the VTT going to make more time that you already don't have? How is the VTT going deal with your work or kids?
It's not.
Having, like many people here, played MMO's it's pretty common on what it's like playing with someone that has kids. It's they are AFK to much, dealing with their kids.
I can only imagine that will get worse with the VTT, because it's not like a computer run monster which is going to attack whether you are at the keyboard or not.
And as for the VTT being your best chance to play 4E without finding another group. Bull, because there are plenty of options for online game tables and such. You aren't without options to play 4E online without having to find a group.
What I will accept is that the VTT looked really cool and seemed like it would be the best one out there! I'm disappointed, because it looked like having the ability to really make the game come alive visually.
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