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seTiny wrote:

The quote was for the PHB2 a supplement, not the core rulebook. The Monster Manual 2 which was only released a few weeks ago has sold out as well. So has Arcane Power. All three recently released supplements.

Well, the AD&D Unearthed Arcana went 12 printings over 7 years, including printings after 2nd ed was released.

I will also remind you of the difference between the WotC warehouse being sold out and distributors and retailers being sold out.

No we won't get hard numbers. But the print run for the Core Rule books was 39 truckloads, which was calculated to be a minimum of 250,000 (max being over 300,000) of each of the three books. I would estimate the supplements to be around 150,000 (Core Rule books tend to sell more often than supplements) Again this is estimation and could be completely wrong, I don't doubt that possibility.

Those are decent estimates. I had not seen the 39 truckloads reference.

Again, I do not believe anyone at WotC is being disingenuous or deceptive.

Wolfstars comment wasn't that his hearsay is "better" than any other, its that no one brings forth the evidence to support claims (and in this case including him) and until someone does provide that he's going to continue to believe what he is readying.

And my comment is that until I see evidence I will believe what I have heard.
Is that not reasonable?

So quotes were provided to show WotC is saying that sales are good, which is in contrast to those saying that WotC is claiming "poor sales and market saturation" of 4e. Which no quotes have been provided.

Most of the quotes I have seen about that referred to planning concepts for 3E/3.5. That is, WotC was planning a new edition when market saturation began depressing sales. And while general releases were not made about that, I have heard comments from WotC people that late 3.5 sales were down, particularly for setting books. That setting books have been heavily reduced for 4E hardly seems unrelated to that, and as such provide a general indicator for other basic planning decisions.

seTiny wrote:

The only difference is at least one of those companies are doing it to raise the price. The price of D&D books doesn't raise when they are short on supply if they are still in print.

Now the supplement print runs are likely less than the core rulebooks, but are probably still in the 100,000's somewhere. (Of course this is only a guestimation.)



Since the price of the books doesn't change when WotC is sold out, they probably did underestimate the demand. Especially for the PHB2.

I'm still not sure about the PHB2, is it a reprint of the PHB with updated/fixed rules, and a few new classes/races/powers/skills/feats? or is it an actual add-on product that introduces all new content?

seTiny wrote:

It's a supplement. It has 5 new Races, 8 new Classes with Paragon Paths. It introduces Racial Paragon Paths (12 total). It provides rules for Custom Backgrounds and benefits gained from them. Then new feats, items (magical and mundane) and rituals.

Only the last 4 pages have "updates" to rules found in the PHB 1, everything else is new. And some of those updates are stuff that is introduced in the PHB2 like Rage, Summoning, Beast, and Beast Form for example.

Well in that case it might be worth purchasing, how much is it? Well let me rephrase that next time I get some free money (maybe next year) I'll consider buying it. Of course that's assuming I've found a gaming group, or the VTT is usable.