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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 2:10AM
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Hi,
I have enjoyed the D&D4 product roll-out, checking out the new system, metaphorically kicking the tires, playing with the new digital enhancements.
On the whole, I have found the package severely wanting. The quality and treatment of D&Di deserves special notice here, being the decisive consideration in my choice to look away from D&D for my next round of gaming.
Maybe WotC will have its act together for D&D5.
D&Di subscriptions begin tomorrow, which makes this the right time to bow out for a few years.
Bye!
Anyway,
Ken
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 3:16AM
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your point here being what?
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 4:55AM
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The OP is expressing their displeasure in the direction that WotC has taken DDI in the method available to him, by not subscribing and is posting here so that people at WotC know that he is displeased.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 5:45AM
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your point here being what?
This kind of response is indication that there's a larger problem here. People aren't passionate about this game or the DDi product anymore. DDi has dragged on for so long with very little to show for it, it seems like people just don't care anymore. I know if the DDi suite had been released at launch I would have subscribed and started using it, but now, like the OP, I just don't care. I've been gaming for 4 months without it and I see no reason to even try it now.
In any case the point that the OP was really making is that Wizards just lost another customer by:
1) not having the product ready at launch: (reguardless of quotes like "we didn't think anyone would want it that much" or "you can still play DnD, this is just an enhancement" The tools, especially the Virtual table was billed as being the next big thing and an integral part of the D&D experience.)
2) Charging a $8 a month fee for an E-Zine and a compendium just reeks of a corporation not giving a damn about their customers. (The D20 3.5 OGL was in text and available online, it didn't take me much to search through it.)
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 6:45AM
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Let's review...
WotC spends a great deal of time & effort creating all these extra features like the Compendium, the Character Builder, & all the other online tools that are going to be released. They also kept the Dragon & Dungeon magazines going in an online format, rather than just hemorrhaging money like many magazine publishers are doing these days. They could've just as easily have decided to simply let them die, leaving us without the extra goodies, & besides, we got several months worth of content for free while they got all their ducks lined up in a row.
Then they have the audacity to actually expect money back for it by requiring a subscription?
The horror, the horror!!
In other words, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm not really some WotC fanboy, but good luck finding another publishing company that offers as much content & overall utility as WotC is bringing to the gaming table (free or otherwise). They've done alright by me, as far as I'm concerned.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 6:58AM
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i agree that the OP is overreacting. however, charging is not the problem with WOTC, it's how, when and what they charge for. their bonus tools are tame, most of their magazine content (aka dungeon) only usable if you DM and only useful if you never DM anything else than dungeon content or DM three times a week.
about keeping dungeon and dragon alive:
well, they want to charge for it. there's no fame or courtesy in it, it is just part of their business plan, so they keep at it.
them giving freebies was nice - but also expected. it's not like they would get many people to buy something they had never access to. (or a preview).
again, to stress my (and the OPs) standpoint:
charging for stuff is ok. but the way WOTC has handled all this up to this day, is immensely customer-unfriendly.
some people take the easy way out and bail - others phrase their concerns. (some more often than others, obviously)
don't let yourself delude into taking the concerns presented in this board as random whining: it's concern from people who were really interested, and got !"§$%/ off.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 7:09AM
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your point here being what?
I guess people just aren't allowed to express their opinions on the WotC forums anymore.
If you honestly can't get the point then that is just... sad. Hes disappointed and hes disappointed with how this has been handled so much so that he is now a customer that WotC has lost, at least until the next edition.
I hoped that summed it up for you, in the spirit of your original and incredibly rude tone.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 7:16AM
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I guess people just aren't allowed to express their opinions on the WotC forums anymore.
Please do not say things like that Kyros.
AS VCL, I have expressely stated that people are allowed to (and should) complain/comment about decisions made by WotC that they are unhappy with. Since the announcement that they are going to start charging for the web-content, both WolfStar76 and I have, in different threads, stated that in no uncertain terms.
We (DDI VCL/NG team) expect emotions to run fairly high at the announcement, and are determined to see that people get their say, be it positive or negative.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 7:20AM
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2) Charging a $8 a month fee for an E-Zine and a compendium just reeks of a corporation not giving a damn about their customers. (The D20 3.5 OGL was in text and available online, it didn't take me much to search through it.)
Let's be fair and realistic. The v3.5 d20 SRD (not the d20 OGL, by the way) only covered the core rules, and it didn't even include character generation, character leveling, experience tables, and a handful of monsters. Those only resources had to be created by someone, too, which took time, effort, and money.
The D&D Compendium includes all material published in every book and every article that can be searched and filtered via a database that continuously grows. That's a drastic difference when contrasted with having just the v3.5 SRD that's nothing more than a static web page.
$8 a month for two magazines without ads and a database of ALL official content, not just a stripped down version of the core rules, is a fair price. Going out to lunch one day costs more than that.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2008 - 7:24AM
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
- Dragon Slayer
- D&DI News Guide
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I concurr with mudbunny (which I'm sure is a shock to all involved :P ).
Today's going to be an emotionally charged day for lots of people. That's assuming things go smoothly today (and let's face it, few things of this sort go smoothly, and WotC's record isn't the best for new services, even if they DID).
We're going to have people in and out of the forum all day (and probably all week). Some will be confused and looking for answers. Some will be upset to find the content they've gotten accustomed to having for free is now behind a paywall. Some will be content with the system as it is.
Best thing to do today is to simply be respectful of each other - above and beyond your normal tolerance (as high or as low as that may be). If a poster brings to bear a topic that you think is way out-of-line, just ignore it and move on. If you think it's a CoC violation hit that report button and be on your merry way.
That said, everyone has the right to their opinion, even if you, I, or Santa Claus disagree with them. Feel free to debate the opinion, but don't attack the person.
In short - buckle up, it's gonna be a bumpy ride. We're all in it together, however, so we should all look out for each other.
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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