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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:07AM
#41
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Oh crap I dunno Kobold Quarterly maybe??? The REAL successor to the REAL Dragon Magazine, and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't go monthly before long. Oh also and did I mention you can get it in digital and PRINT form.
Well after all it has been delivered on time
The alternative for Dungeon would be the Pathfinder Adventure Paths
As Much as I like Paizo, I have to disagree here. Pathfinder is not nor has it ever been intended to be a replacement for Dungeon. Dungeon offered more than 1 play option each month..
Personally I went with the Gamemastery Modual Subscription..And will start geting the Pathfinder Society scenarios
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:14AM
#42
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I hate to say, but im halfway in Ovarwa's boat
Im in 4.0 for one reason. Living Forgotten Realms. and im only in LFR because of Living Greyhawk (the red-headed step child of D&D)
being able to bring a caracter to another table, and interact with other players I didnt know before hand is incredible! (and it not being a creepy fantasy one up contest) , then the LG inter-active's at cons really brought exitement into the game.. (details reserved for other topic)
also it meant knowing the rules and making shure your caracter followed them fairly. (cause table variation on critical aspects of the caracter kills fun faster then 200d6)
on that note,
Ive been exited about the D&Di tools since day one .. a database that promises enteries of core books, suplements and magazine enteries! and a caracter database where its checked against the rules for you (less how did you get that, what page is the ability on arguements)...
-I hope LFR caracters can be looked up so I can checkup on friends I met at cons.
buuuuut it been, what? almost 6 mo.? and thats still not online?
the bonus tools are only usefull for people who dont want to get really farmilair with the rules and havent made thier own tools. the redeeming quality?
the magazines.
although the magazines offers great content that is (somwhat) usefull for open and living games... the pull is the "playtest" classes. to be part of the "beta for the next 30-40$ supplement"
much like the first release core books were the beta for the new "nicely bound and erata updated" core books.-wich I will only buy if the *BAD WORD* ink doesnt smear. (WOTC, you printed cards for a living, GET A NEW PRINTER!)
-and that doesnt even get into the weak wording of abilitys/rules that cause endless arguments (im looking at you longsword wielding swordmage and you ever-changing armor class)
summary: I'll pay for it when the tools/new class playtest is out, but If I keep feeling like Im paying for a beta (and have the new books full of smears to prove it) im jumping ship for the next rpg with players in my area that comes along.
-note: with all the page smearing I would love ebook versions of the books.. but know that not gonna happen with the threat of piracy.
The ink thing is odd, my books nor the other player in my groups books have smeared & the bindings fine, but there have been enough people with issues to keep me from discounting it.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 7:15PM
#43
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Oh, my bad! Sorry, I just guess my view of your position was a bit skewed. (hinthint)
Then you should make a better effort to correct your view. (hinthint)
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 8:39PM
#44
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Then you should make a better effort to correct your view. (hinthint)
 Oh, the IRONY! It's like it's stabbing...into...my ribs! Heeheehee!
You do realize I was pointing out that your view of WotC's position was a bit skewed, right? Hence the Bold. 
So, basically, according to you, maybe you should also "make a better effort to correct your view." (heehee!)
Resident Logic Cannon
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 8:54PM
#45
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You do realize I was pointing out that your view of WotC's position was a bit skewed, right? Hence the Bold.
Apparently you do not realize that the reply was a deadpan understatement, demonstrating my disdain for your suggestion.
I guess you were too busy being amused with what you thought was clever repartee that you missed it.
So, basically, according to you, maybe you should also "make a better effort to correct your view." (heehee!)
No. Basically, according to me, my view is completely on target, giving full consideration to both WotC's past failures and recent disasters. It is your view that is skewed, to the point that you feel the need to try and tell me how to think.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 9:46PM
#46
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I have no ability at truly deep writing, so I'm really not worried about that, but ok. (My version of "great entertainment" is The Daily Show, not trying to sound witty to other people. Maybe crack a joke or two, but certainly not much wit. ) Just making suggestions. You are most certainly encouraged to think how you want. Just have a nice day. :D
Resident Logic Cannon
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 5:44PM
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Date Joined:
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Let's review...
WotC spends a great deal of time & effort creating all these extra features like the Compendium, the Character Builder, & all the other online tools that are going to be released. They also kept the Dragon & Dungeon magazines going in an online format, rather than just hemorrhaging money like many magazine publishers are doing these days. They could've just as easily have decided to simply let them die, leaving us without the extra goodies, & besides, we got several months worth of content for free while they got all their ducks lined up in a row.
Then they have the audacity to actually expect money back for it by requiring a subscription?
The horror, the horror!!
Lets review...
Wizards had an electronic aid already in place and the next generation Character Generator was already almost done which had a data set package scheme already in place. This application (Which is still coming out, but without any of the licensed stuff) can easily handle the simpler framework of this new edition.
They yanked it. ("Let the license lapse") A replacement is still not available or being developed. There is a "character builder" on the ransomed DDi instead, slaved to the web or a simplistic client.
Sorry, but I am not paying the monthly ransom for downgraded mags, inferior tools and useless fluff.
But the stance of the OP of completely disregarding D&D completely, either this new edition or the alternative offered by Paizo, saddens me. The system itself, despite the flaws like Magical Items loosing worth or effectiveness, is much better than the previous edition. I hope that some glaring inconsistencies are fixed in 4.5, but otherwise it is very user friendly.
Terms you should know... Spoiler:
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Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner)
Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level.
Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds.
Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
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They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2.
The new sub-sub-classes will be:
* Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks.
* Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank.
* Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture.
* Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things.
* Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind.
Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2).
These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing.
(Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 6:54PM
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UGHHHHH. ::shudder:: Why do people keep assuming there will be a 4.5?? They have DDI to make money with, they're releasing Errata fairly rapidly, and it would immediately make them look like scum if they actually published it. I truly believe we will never see a 4.5 from Wizards.
Resident Logic Cannon
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 6:58PM
#49
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
- Dragon Slayer
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UGHHHHH. ::shudder:: Why do people keep assuming there will be a 4.5?? They have DDI to make money with, they're releasing Errata fairly rapidly, and it would immediately make them look like scum if they actually published it. I truly believe we will never see a 4.5 from Wizards.
They even stated at GenCon07 that 4E wouldn't have a 4.5 - they'd learned their lesson with the debacle caused by 3.0 and 3.5. They cited the ability to issue updates online, and the flexibility of the system to avoid that as reasons why.
The bigger problem, as I see it, is that people are never going to forgive 3.5 - even if it DID make improvements to the game.
So, as WotC compiles and releases Errata (like the changes/fixes to Stealth - and word is they're taking another look at how Traps work) the customer base is going, at some point to start calling 4E 4.25 or 4.5 as rules get ammended.
It's rather ironic that they'll use the very naming convention they revolted against in the first place.
It's sort of like people who think they're being bitingly sarcastic by joking that 5E will be out in 2009 or 2010. It damages the speaker more than the product. 
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 7:14PM
#50
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Date Joined:
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Perhaps a named 4.5 won't be released, but later printings of the books hopefully will include "erata" and be rid of the Magical Item nerf buy/sell rot.
Who is to say when 5th edition would come out? This new edition, in my and a lot of others mind, was at least two years to early.
It is why we have Pathfinder, and the reluctance for some 3pp to jump to the new, restrictive 4th edition GSL from the previous OGL.
Terms you should know... Spoiler:
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner)
Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level.
Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds.
Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
Show
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2.
The new sub-sub-classes will be:
* Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks.
* Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank.
* Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture.
* Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things.
* Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind.
Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2).
These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing.
(Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
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