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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 8:10AM
#31
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-note: with all the page smearing I would love ebook versions of the books.. but know that not gonna happen with the threat of piracy.
actually, you can buy the core rulebooks and probably (didn't check back as they were to expensive as a backup to the normal books) the newer releases as well.
my problem with finding those pdfs again, however, is different: i try google, and all i find is pirated versions...
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 8:13AM
#32
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actually, you can buy the core rulebooks and probably (didn't check back as they were to expensive as a backup to the normal books) the newer releases as well.
my problem with finding those pdfs again, however, is different: i try google, and all i find is pirated versions...
http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?cPath=4500
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 8:07PM
#33
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@Samwise: Mudbunny is not WotC. He is a volunteer.
I am aware of who Mudbunny is.
I am also aware of what WotC is.
And I am aware of both their past and present actions.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 9:07PM
#34
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I am aware of who Mudbunny is.
I am also aware of what WotC is.
And I am aware of both their past and present actions.
Oh, my bad! Sorry, I just guess my view of your position was a bit skewed. (hinthint)
Resident Logic Cannon
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 9:59PM
#35
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Let's review...
WotC spends a great deal of time & effort creating all these extra features like the Compendium, the Character Builder, & all the other online tools that are going to be released. They also kept the Dragon & Dungeon magazines going in an online format, rather than just hemorrhaging money like many magazine publishers are doing these days. They could've just as easily have decided to simply let them die, leaving us without the extra goodies, & besides, we got several months worth of content for free while they got all their ducks lined up in a row.
Then they have the audacity to actually expect money back for it by requiring a subscription?
The horror, the horror!!
In other words, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'm not really some WotC fanboy, but good luck finding another publishing company that offers as much content & overall utility as WotC is bringing to the gaming table (free or otherwise). They've done alright by me, as far as I'm concerned.
Oh crap I dunno Kobold Quarterly maybe??? The REAL successor to the REAL Dragon Magazine, and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't go monthly before long. Oh also and did I mention you can get it in digital and PRINT form. The alternative for Dungeon would be the Pathfinder Adventure Paths of course witch cost more yes but are of waaaay better quality than dungeon ever was under Wizards direction. The other alternative would have been for them to have left it with Paizo who was doing a great job and had a quality print publication and they could have taken it online as well. I think though thet Wizards knew that if they left the print option no one would have subscribed to the digital mag. Which says something about what the fans at large really want I think. Being rude to an already displeased customer doesn't help the reputation of the product that you are trying to defend at all man.
Charles
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 10:03PM
#36
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Please do not say things like that Kyros.
AS VCL, I have expressely stated that people are allowed to (and should) complain/comment about decisions made by WotC that they are unhappy with. Since the announcement that they are going to start charging for the web-content, both WolfStar76 and I have, in different threads, stated that in no uncertain terms.
We (DDI VCL/NG team) expect emotions to run fairly high at the announcement, and are determined to see that people get their say, be it positive or negative.
Keep talkin' like that, I am startin' ta like you Mr. Mudbunny even if you do have a funny name and a funny avatar... it beats me I guess I have an unpronounceable name and no avatar. 
Charles
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 10:41PM
#37
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This kind of response is indication that there's a larger problem here. People aren't passionate about this game or the DDi product anymore. DDi has dragged on for so long with very little to show for it, it seems like people just don't care anymore. I know if the DDi suite had been released at launch I would have subscribed and started using it, but now, like the OP, I just don't care. I've been gaming for 4 months without it and I see no reason to even try it now.
In any case the point that the OP was really making is that Wizards just lost another customer by:
1) not having the product ready at launch: (reguardless of quotes like "we didn't think anyone would want it that much" or "you can still play DnD, this is just an enhancement" The tools, especially the Virtual table was billed as being the next big thing and an integral part of the D&D experience.)
2) Charging a $8 a month fee for an E-Zine and a compendium just reeks of a corporation not giving a damn about their customers. (The D20 3.5 OGL was in text and available online, it didn't take me much to search through it.)
i think its that the people like myself that like it think that we are getting a good price for a couple of magazines and get a few extra things tossed in as well.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 15, 2008 - 11:16PM
#38
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Feb 21, 2007
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The difference between an index for the books and the Compendium is that the books are bulky, cumbersome, and unnecessary. The Compendium not only compiles the information, it also presents it without having to flip through a bunch of pages and a stack of books and magazines.
makes goofing off with my game ideas easier at work then obvious books also :P
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:02AM
#39
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Jun 22, 2002
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[FONT="Comic Sans MS"] As a consumer, I understand your choice.
As a Gamer, I feel your 'pain'.
You have my respect.[/FONT]
Hi,
I have enjoyed the D&D4 product roll-out, checking out the new system, metaphorically kicking the tires, playing with the new digital enhancements.
On the whole, I have found the package severely wanting. The quality and treatment of D&Di deserves special notice here, being the decisive consideration in my choice to look away from D&D for my next round of gaming.
Maybe WotC will have its act together for D&D5.
D&Di subscriptions begin tomorrow, which makes this the right time to bow out for a few years.
Bye!
Anyway,
Ken
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 12:03AM
#40
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Sep 12, 2003
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I with the op and waiting until the next version of dnd I had high hopes for 4E and DDi both were huge disapointments to me 4E more so then DDi. Maybe in a few years there will be something I like about the next dnd.
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