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4 years ago ::
May 27, 2009 - 1:43AM
#291
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I believe it. WotC is not a software company. WotC didn't realize that software development is not linear. WotC didn't realize that in software, the hardest bit is the last 10%.
It is already hard, that a company makes the same mistake twice, even worse to see them make the same mistake three times. After mastertools, they should definitely have learned a lesson or two about software development. Add in gleemax, and they should be very careful already. But nothing happened.
Oh, and coppro - a good programmer will give you an estimate - ALWAYS. He just might not give you an exact date, but a timeframe, as it is usually done.
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4 years ago ::
May 27, 2009 - 3:49AM
#292
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Sorry, but while the books may have been sent to the printers months in advance, it would not normally have been that hard to delete a 'last page advertisement.' Books have been substantially altered within that window, including major changes to both covers and the titles...books with bestseller print runs before the digital age.
And you're still missing your estimated date by north of two years....and looking like north of three for the full set, after having tried to do some similar stuff twice before.
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4 years ago ::
May 27, 2009 - 3:28PM
#293
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- Want Cheese With That Whine?
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Oh, and coppro - a good programmer will give you an estimate - ALWAYS. He just might not give you an exact date, but a timeframe, as it is usually done.
That takes an excellent programmer.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2009 - 6:38PM
#294
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So its official the original tools that many of us have looked forward to are dead (at least for now and imop probably for good).
Thats it for me for 4E, I'm going back to 3.5 until Wotc can provide me with what was originally promised. I want the visualizer, dungeon builder and virtual table top we were promised, not a bait and switch!
First they pull pdfs now this, well I'm pulling my money and I hope many others do also; it seems to be all Wotc / Hasbro understands.
I have to agree. The launch and media hype around 4Ed all included the amazing tools and how DnD insider would grant you wonderful access to the new world and it turns out to be a money trap.
WOTC have just gone into cash mode dumping non-profit tools and printing money by pumping out new books every month with half-baked/rehashed classes and powers and dumping quality for quantity.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 01, 2009 - 6:44PM
#295
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Well, to be honest, it sounds that you were not around for the ride for the 3E tools. This is well documented if you google E-Tools, Master Tools, Fluid, Code Monkey. Although all of it is 5 years or more old at this point.
The fact is, they went with a vender that did not have alot of experience and it did not come out the way they intended. Most companies would be very careful the next time to make sure it did not happen again.
Again, those of us that were around back then and waited for the planned tools, see parallels into what is going on now. To be honest, I would rather NOT see that happen.
Here is hoping the Campaign Tools get released relativly soon and are at the same quality as the Character Builder.
You forgot to mention they came down hard on anyone who actually managed to create a good character generator and made them look like fools.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2009 - 4:39AM
#296
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I really can't believe people are still argueing over WoTC motives.
Look if you believe they lied. Fine. If you believe they didn't lie, fine.
Argueing over the facts isn't going to change the past, or change what any person thinks. Either you think WoTC is run by morons, or you understand why things happened the way they did.
But it would be nice to finally move away from this subject on the forums. It's a dead horse. Both sides need to drop it.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2009 - 8:04AM
#297
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Come on. I get posts removed because I'm picking on Dane and I don't even get a warning post?
What's a guy got to do to get a content removed post?
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4 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2009 - 8:40AM
#298
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Hi. I had to remove some content from this thread because it violates the Code of Conduct. Please be polite and respectful towards other community members.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2009 - 8:44AM
#299
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Woohoo! 
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4 years ago ::
Jun 02, 2009 - 12:13PM
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That takes an excellent programmer.
No it doesn't. Its true that in software design/development that projects can and do "slip", but it isn't hard to accurately project the amount of time a project will take to finish. Again, you could adjust your estimate as time goes, but getting relatively in the ballpark does not take an excellent programmer, it takes management, and not even "excellent" management.
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