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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 8:49AM #251
Mock
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Astromath wrote:

The question would be would WOTC be able to fulfill this child's wish (of course funded by MWF)?


Wow. That's...ghoulish.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 8:50AM #252
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please: don't resort to killing children in order to get the products you want. :D
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May 25, 2012 -- 10:10PM, Dranack wrote:

Sadly, I don't think this has anything to do with wanting Next to be a great game.
It has to do with wanting Next to determine who won the Edition War.
[...]
For those of us who just want D&D Next to be a good game, this is getting to be a real drag.


Nov 17, 2010 -- 1:05PM, Jharii wrote:

I think I figured it out.  This program is a character builder, not a character builder.  It teaches patience, empathy, and tolerance.  All most excellent character traits.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 10:37AM #253
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I don't advocate killing children to get what I want. It is so completely unethical. However, MWF does do good work. They even got Upper Deck to create a Yu-Gi-Oh card specifically for a diing child. Here's an interesting fact: the child's illness went into remission and is still alive. But that's going too far off-topic. What I did was put forward a hypothetical situation. I'd like to see WOTC's response to this hypothetical situation. I'll even be satisfied with a hypothetical response.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 10:44AM #254
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Astromath wrote:

I don't advocate killing children to get what I want. It is so completely unethical. However, MWF does do good work. They even got Upper Deck to create a Yu-Gi-Oh card specifically for a diing child. Here's an interesting fact: the child's illness went into remission and is still alive. But that's going too far off-topic. What I did was put forward a hypothetical situation. I'd like to see WOTC's response to this hypothetical situation. I'll even be satisfied with a hypothetical response.


Why would they ever answer a question like that? It's in poor taste, quite frankly.

Hypothetical questions often end up being a waste of time. And often are meant as a way to trap someone, based on a non reality.

Why not ask WoTC something more practical, like would they switch back to working on the VTT, if another company would be willing to partner with them and carry some of the finacial burden and work responisiblity.

Or even better yet, how about all the people that have said they can do better, go volunteer to work on it for free? The boards are certainly full of people like that.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:32PM #255
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Astromath wrote:

I don't advocate killing children to get what I want. It is so completely unethical. However, MWF does do good work. They even got Upper Deck to create a Yu-Gi-Oh card specifically for a diing child. Here's an interesting fact: the child's illness went into remission and is still alive. But that's going too far off-topic. What I did was put forward a hypothetical situation. I'd like to see WOTC's response to this hypothetical situation. I'll even be satisfied with a hypothetical response.


::continue derailment::

Hypothetically? I'd love to say we'd create a D&D tool so epic and so powerful that this poor unfortunate kid's ailment would retreat in fear of it. However, due to the high tech nature of such a tool, he/she would be the only one who would be able to see and interact with the afore-mentioned tool

Seriously though - My heart goes out to any child (and their families) who has a deadly illness, and this isn't something that we should make light of. There's no way we could posit what we would do in such a situation. Lets try to keep things a bit more on topic than this in the future guys.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:38PM #256
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Consider myself chastised.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 3:14PM #257
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It seems to me that the scope of DDI is being reduced. I'm not suprised by this.

I ran into a WotC employee at PAX08 in an elevator while leaving the convention. I was wearing a D&D related shirt and he asked if I had checked out the character generator. I said I had and I was then honest with him. I told him it was much better than I had expected. And I meant it.

I've seen this company try to put out tools with this brand before and it didn't really end well. Let us all just be greatful that they managed to get the character generator working before they dropped the ball. At least they delivered on something. Anything else I see out of DDI will be a plesant suprise.

It just seems like the magazine subscriptions weren't enough to pay the developer bills so the customer is getting stuck with a diminished product.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 3:34PM #258
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FalconGK81 wrote:

This. Very much this. It was a classic bait and switch.


The above individual has a very mistaken idea of what, exactly, a bait and switch is.

A bait and switch occurs when a company advertises a product at a very low price, lures the customer in, and then is revealed to not actually offer the advertised product. Instead, they try to sell you a substitute product for a higher price.

What WotC did was miss a release date on a portion of their package, and to make up for that decided to offer their reduced package for a reduced price. This is pretty much exactly not what a bait and switch is.

Beware those people who try and tell you that WotC is pulling a bait and switch. They are speaking from ignorance, malice, bitterness, or some combination of the three.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 3:45PM #259
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ItaraKoturo wrote:

Beware those people who try and tell you that WotC is pulling a bait and switch. They are speaking from ignorance, malice, bitterness, or some combination of the three.


I would say that those people are just as informative as the fanboys, if not more so. It lets me know that the company in question has a problem delivering on their promises and makeing deadlines....enough so that people take to the BBS to complain.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 5:26PM #260
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Vengeful_Deity wrote:

I would say that those people are just as informative as the fanboys, if not more so. It lets me know that the company in question has a problem delivering on their promises and makeing deadlines....enough so that people take to the BBS to complain.


No matter who the complaints are against, I tend to put a lot less stock in the complaints of those who make use of hyperbole in order to explain their grievances. Those who are willing to accuse a company of a violation of law for missing a deadline are the same sort of people who will complain about just about anything - they enjoy being righteously indignant. They are not to be taken seriously. Listen instead to those who are able to voice their complaints clearly and without resorting to extreme, false language.

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