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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 2:06PM
#241
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Sure.
What, were you expecting everyone to call you a bad person for wanting to play a different game?
Well, yeah.
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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 2:31PM
#242
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Sure.
What, were you expecting everyone to call you a bad person for wanting to play a different game?
I'm trying to see how many people will try and make me stay and drink the kool aid.
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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 3:15PM
#243
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I'm trying to see how many people will try and make me stay and drink the kool aid.
DRINK IT!
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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 4:06PM
#244
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My anti virus went off when I tryed to click it.
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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 4:22PM
#245
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It's an animated picture of the Kool-aid Man.
"Man is made God's plaything, and that is the best part of him. Therefore every man and woman should live life accordingly, and play the noblest games... Life must be lived as play, playing certain games, making sacrifices, singing and dancing..." Plato, The Laws.
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4 years ago ::
May 05, 2009 - 9:14PM
#246
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Who knows some other rpg company may just beat wotc to the punchline with a vtt. that'd be a laugh.
It's not like a VTT is a particularly unique product. Go look at the "digital" boards for a long list of them. And it doesn't take much effort to customise most for D&D.
Heck, if you want 3D, people have used Neverwinter Nights as a VTT in all but name for several years now.
But building a D&D campaign manager that ties directly into the WotC IP and digital data? That's something where controlling the IP and direct access can make a huge difference.
I don't think WotC would shed too many tears if someone made a 3D D&D compatible VTT.
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4 years ago ::
May 06, 2009 - 5:57AM
#247
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My anti virus went off when I tryed to click it.
I'm pretty sure there are no virus's.
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4 years ago ::
May 07, 2009 - 8:02AM
#248
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I would like to point out that they have been hyping the VTT and CV for quite some time now. They showed them off at GenCon, and they've been shilling for them in their Dungeon and Dragon articles (I think there was a whole "Confessions of" article about the character visualizer). If some people are ticked off that these things are now "back burner" (which isn't a good sign giving the already slow progress they were apparently in before) then WotC has no one to blame but themselves. If you hype something mercilessly and then bait and switch, its only natural that some people are gonna moan about it. WotC created the hype.
Those of us who are displeased with this change in priorities have a legitimate grievance. Yes, some people are grumps who like to complain about everything, but some of us are very rational people with very rational objections. I want the tools I was hyped up about. I want to see that they can deliver quality products, not abandon them when they get hard to finish.
I think the Campaign Tools are a great idea. I voted for them as a feature I'd like to see. I didn't mean at the expense of the other things I thought were just around the corner. I think WotC deserves any grief they are getting from disgruntled customers, and I think those of you who are being hostile to the people venting need to realize this.
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4 years ago ::
May 07, 2009 - 8:10AM
#249
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It is not the consumer's fault that we are upset about DDI. I've said this before, and I will say it again(in fact, I reposted this post before), the consumers did not advertise these programs and services, WotC did. WotC advertised it as a major selling point of the system. For many of us, that selling point is what caused us to purchase the game. If many of you don't remember, WotC offerred the following glimpse at 4th edition prior to the books being released, pay attention to the last two clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_e5wAUwdmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLNNbcg … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLXuMb6 … re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-9vMYG … re=related
I remember how pumped up I got thinking about playing online with my friends. We are all busy irl with family and professional responsibilities and the VTT was going to make getting together for a game much easier.
Then, the core books come out and if you don't remember, the ad's in the back say the following:
"Combat Improves When You Add A Mouse" Bring even more to your game table with D&D Insider. With quick access to exclusive material and digital tools D&DI will help enhance every aspect of your tabletop game. And, with D&DI, you can take your game online, so you can play with friends anywhere-wherever they live, wherever you go.
Of course we all remember that DDI was not available upon the release of the books, but they did have lots of advertisements for it. They finally released DDI which was composed of Dungeon and Dragon magazines, the compendium, and some bonus tools.
At that point they had the words COMING SOON! written above the CB, DB, CV, and VTT. WotC came out and said, "hey everyone, we know we don't have a lot of the stuff we promised, but if you sign up now we will lock in your billing price for the remainder of your subscription, even when all the other tools come out."
A lot of people are probably in the same boat as me and thought: "You know, I really am not interested in the E-Zines and I really want DDI mainly for the VTT, but hey, it says coming soon and surely the CB,VTT,CV,DB will be out before too long, it says so right on the advertisement. I might as well buy it now."
One could argue that it was deceptive business practice. They advertised advertised advertised, got people to subscribe, then took all of it down from the site and are now saying "we have decided to work on other projects at this time."
Most of us who are upset have very valid reasons. I have no major complaints about the CB or 4th edition in general. However, I have invested thousands of dollars in D&D over the years and I feel tricked into purchasing 4th edition and subscribing to DDI.
My gaming friends are spread all over the country and we are all busy irl. The VTT was the reason we all converted to 4th edition. I know there are alternate online table-tops out there, and we will gladly use them. But we all spent money to get a product that was advertised that never came into fruition.
I appreciate the head's up from WotC that the VTT has been canned, but we could have used that information a few months ago. An apology would be nice.
This. Very much this. It was a classic bait and switch. And the only reason they released the survey results was the give themselves a cover of legitimacy when making the switch. Think about it, how many times in the past has WotC released the results of a survey? I can't think of the last time I saw that.
I'm not one of these "ZOMG IM QUITTING 4E FOREVER!!!1!!!!11!!!eleven!!" folks, but I am very disappointed with this, and I think its only natural, considering the product I thought I was purchasing versus the "new direction" they are taking. I haven't canceled my subscription yet, but I am considering it.
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4 years ago ::
May 07, 2009 - 8:46AM
#250
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I'm just wondering. Has anybody heard of the Make a Wish Foundation that grants wishes to diing children? Here's a hypothetical situation: Suppose there's a child who's been given 3-6 months to live  makes contact with MWF and his/her wish is to see the VTT (and/or other promised tools) completed and be able to use it before they die. The question would be would WOTC be able to fulfill this child's wish (of course funded by MWF)?
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