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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 4:29PM
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So the Compendium is pretty much going to be useless now unless you have a subscription? I thought it was going to be free? Oh wait, not a useful version just the marketing version. Lame. I wouldn't care so much but that is not what we were originally led to believe if not outright told. Actually, I'm still not sure why it bugs me since I don't need the Compendium (that's what I use the books for). I'm sure others would've used it but not sure now that it's been nerfed.
I am fairly certain that it was announced last year that only paying members would have access to the full compendium and others would be able to look at the items listed but not see descriptions.
As far as this all goes I love the pricing. The pricing is great, once you have the DM Table, Visualizer and DM Tools up.
I agree with everyone else $5-8 bucks a month for articles that are CONSTANTLY late it not acceptable at all. Especially when you factor in the cost of paper to print and the cost of ink as well.
Not to mention the inconsistency as someone mentioned before with things not being worded properly to mesh nicely with the core books is a headache. I look forward to eventually using the tools and the pricing will be nice when they are available. But a few lame bonus tools is not enough to make up for what we are NOT getting. My money will be staying in my pocket for the time being.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 4:31PM
#32
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I just have to say I question the wisdom of level limits on the beta test, I think when the point of a beta test is to work out the kinks, locking out part of the program just limits what gets tested. In effect, instead of a beta, a couple of people are getting a demo.
And of course, how does one go about becoming one of the select few to get in on the beta?
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 4:47PM
#33
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- Stampeding Hybrid
- Dragon Slayer
Date Joined:
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This was answered.
If you pay for a year now and full package goes live before then, you will be credited with unused potion to the cost of the full package.
Oh....well awesome that is exactly what I wanted. I'll definatly sign up the day it goes live then. Whoo!
I'm interested in the Character Builder, so until that's out, I'm out as well.
I'd pay $7.95/mo (on a month by month basis) for the e-zines and the builder, but the rest of it has no value to me.
Until then, the e-zines can be acquired elsewhere, and nothing else out at the moment warrants payment.
Not going to happen. The character buiilder is part of the client package. As such you either have the options of only getting the magazines for 7.99 or getting everything for the higher price(14.99?)....unless you are willing to pay for longer periods of time.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 4:50PM
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Firstly, $60 a year for two monthly magazines is a very fair subscription rate. How many other hobby magazines do you know of that produce the amount and quality of substance found in Dungeon and Dragon, complete with beautiful full-color art and no advertisements, for $30/year? I don't know of any.
That is a fair point, but it's also worth noting that there is a reason there are no hobby magazine's purchasable for yearly subscriptions that lack advertising: the business model of such a venture probably wouldn't work.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:00PM
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I'm not a regular poster of late, but was when the trial mags were really struggling. I was not a happy camper then, but really see things as much improved now, in no small part because I do actually like the new edition.
A couple points:
First off, Randy I love your updates. Direct, full of actual information, and apparently with an ear towards the forum mob. Good stuff, I hope you stick with the job because you're the only one imo who's delivered solid customer information in the last year or so (with the exception of volunteers like Wolf, et al).
Secondly, although the magazine quality and quantity can certainly improve, I see the $4.95 a month price point as just about right, and will be subscribing. I do hope the editing and accuracy (maps, etc...) improve, and I really hope you borrow more AP mechanics from Paizo, but overall I'm fairly satisfied. I can't help but see this as the equivalent of a couple cups of coffee, and that just isn't very much money for the content we're starting to see.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:12PM
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I'm assuming the "new articles three times a week" is between both magazines...
So I guess the question is: if they continue to be late with the articles, do we get our money back? I don't really want to sign up for a subscription that doesn't get delivered.
I'll probably pay for a month, see if they're on the ball, and if so get the full subscription.
That said, I personally think if they continue to deliver, the price is about right.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:31PM
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I need to say that those who are defending the magazines as beeing worth the price have every right to. Doesn't change the fact that I think you're wrong.
Consider the content that is delivered in the E-zines compared to Cosmo or other printed magazines... (using this because its been used in this thread)
Consider the amount that we're getting in these magazines compared to the other magazines mentioned in the thread.
Need I say more?
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:48PM
#38
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- Stampeding Hybrid
- Dragon Slayer
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I need to say that those who are defending the magazines as beeing worth the price have every right to. Doesn't change the fact that I think you're wrong.
Consider the content that is delivered in the E-zines compared to Cosmo or other printed magazines... (using this because its been used in this thread)
Consider the amount that we're getting in these magazines compared to the other magazines mentioned in the thread.
Need I say more?
In the case of Cosmo one could make the argument that a blank sheet of paper has more content....:P
But yes you do need to say more because you didn't provide any facts to back up your opinion. How many pages are in a standard magazine these days? How many of those pages are full page ads(or half page ad that stretches accross two pages)? How does Dragon(or Dungeon) compare when you subtract the ads from the standard number of pages? I'd check this stuff myself, but I don't have any magazines immediatly available myself.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:49PM
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Not going to happen. The character buiilder is part of the client package. As such you either have the options of only getting the magazines for 7.99 or getting everything for the higher price(14.99?)....unless you are willing to pay for longer periods of time.
See, this is where I know you're wrong. It fully well has the ability *to* happen. Hasbro, and Wizard's, have a figure they have already attached to the DDi. There is a successful figure, a "we can live with that" figure, and (just like we saw with the GSL and 3pp) a "we need to re-evaluate" figure.
If enough folks speak with their wallets, the pricing structure and model will change.
There are still many tools out there that can cover the character builder, it's a nice to have, not a necessity. Same goes with the table.
I've love to use the official one, but nothing is forcing us to.
Wizard's took the wrong approach with books and magazines already. They could have hit a cash cow with print and electronic versions if they would have looked beyond the corporate sand in hand box. Perhaps they might still someday, but for now, I feel that opportunity has passed.
Browncoats Unite...
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5 years ago ::
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:51PM
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I've been holding my peace for a while now when it comes to these DI "updates". I put that in quotes, because for the majority of June, July, and August the "updates" consisted primarily of "nothing's ready yet, and we have no timetables." Is there really any question as to why so many of us doubt WotC's alleged prioritization of DI? Like many other D&D players, I was looking forward to building my own dungeons and playing D&D with distant friends using the online content back in June.... which we were told for TEN MONTHS was going to be the release date for Digital Insider.
Secondly, the only articles I've found useful whatsoever have been the stand-alone adventures. Even the other articles that LOOK appealing are massacred by internal inconsistencies; for instance, take the Mithrendain city article. While it seemed really cool at first glance, actually reading it ruined it for me. The fact that the city's only been around for a hundred years or so and generations of Eladrin have came and passed since? Really? I could have sworn I read in the PHB that Eladrin live to be 300 years old or so. And the fact that the city was built on a passageway to the Underdark, but somehow nobody but a select few are aware of this? I guess that has something to do with the nine generations of mysteriously short-lived Eladrin that have been inhabiting the place, huh?
Thirdly, the editorials are terrible. I'm sorry, but I couldn't care less about whatever's happening at your gaming table at corporate. I have my own game sessions that I go to, and quite frankly yours are boring by comparison. In contrast, the old 3rd. edition editorials were actually informative and gave me perspective on what elements to use in a game.... remember the old Sibling Rivalry articles? Those were usually relevant, frequently informative, and always entertaining.
(and don't say i'm bashing 4th edition on this one, either. i love 4th edition, it's smoother and has faster gameplay, but the webcontent is LACKING.)
I'm not about to pay for content that's lacking in the extreme. That is, if your development team even HAS the direction to actually implement this price plan. If the "progress" of DI over the past 4 months is any indicator, I don't think anyone's going to be asked to pay a nickel until February '09.
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