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5 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2008 - 8:20PM #71
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So, I just am annoyed that they did it, suddenly, without some warning.

I mean, if you're going to start charging for something that's been free for three-four months, maybe you should give MORE than 24 hours notice.
Really, they gave less than 24 hours notice, since I was on yesterday morning (around 10 am) and saw nothing about this.

Today, I get on, and I can't view the new Dragon updates, because Subscriptions have already started.


Maybe, just maybe, they should have anounced it 2 weeks ago.


Oh well. People who have a subscription can still download the PDFs right?

So, if I buy a subscription, I can save my issues and not lose them when I cancel again?
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2008 - 8:25PM #72
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jgerman wrote:

There's actually a box for auto-renewal that has to be checked? If it's required why bother with the box, why not just make it part of the policy?

Again this goes back to being a sloppy, poorly thought out roll out. It's as if they didn't consider that someone might only want certain issues. My bet is that this is a rush job to start getting revenue.

It's more than a little shady to require interaction with a person to cancel. The only purpose of a process like that is to make cancellation more difficult and allow the company an avenue through which to try and talk you out of it.

Anyways to answer your last question. I've never had an issue cancelling an MMO (nor have I had to do anything but log in to my account and click cancel). I've played over a dozen and there has never been an issue.


I can understand WotC being anxious to get the subscriptions started. The DDI costs valuable time and money to develop, and it's already way behind. All that money going out, let's get some coming in . . . in a hurry!

Still, I agree. They seem to have rushed things here, not considering that customers don't always think like they want or expect them to .

When I first heard about the online subscriptions, the first thing through my mind was: I'm only gonna buy certain issues; I wanna see what it's gonna look like, that's all.

And now, realizing that auto-renewal is gonna be a part of the deal (like it or not), I'd hope to have an instant way to cancel the process, no delay, no human contact required. Be above board, not deceptive with my account. That's how this customer thinks .

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2008 - 8:58PM #73
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While WOTC's non-automatic cancellation method may be well intentioned and honest, I can't help remembering the nightmare of trying to cancel my AOL dial-up account a few years ago when I switched to broadband. AOL's deceptive practices took me 6 months and numerous e-mails and phone calls to billing support to cancel my account. It was only after my lawyer brother-in-law sent a letter to them, that they finally stopped billing me. This left an extremely bad taste in my mouth for auto-renewals, especially when you factor in the need for human intervention to cancel the account.

My suggestion: Have subscriptions default to expire when the paid time allotment is used up, but offer auto-renewal as an opt in choice for those who want it.

That said, I will probably only subscribe if the cancellation policy defaults to expiration, or cancel is truly automatic without human intervention.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 12:33AM #74
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Artifact wrote:

I was gonna sign up for a quickie, month-long "trial" but now I'm not so sure. This is from the DDI FAQ:

How do I turn off stop auto-renew on my subscription?

To stop auto-renew, you will need to fill out a form to contact our billing specialists.

First, make sure that you are logged into the Wizards of the Coast website. Once you have logged in, click here to open the form. You will need to provide your first name, last name, and the last five digits of the credit card used when you purchased your D&D Insider subscription.

In the subject and message fields please indicate that you want to stop the auto-renew feature of your subscription. You should recieve a response within two days of submitting the request.


I only want to buy the occasional issue. The way this is set up though, I'm automatically signed up each month (no way to avoid it that I can see). As I understand things, I'll have to fill out an online form and send it to the "billing specialists" . . . each and every time; a hassle, to say the least.

Plus, I'm not entirely confident that the cancelation message will always be recieved and/or acted upon in a timely manner. If it weren't for the "auto-renewal" feature (or if there was a way to avoid it even), I'd have no hesitation to speak of. Am I over-reacting, wrong to be concerned on this issue? Just curious how others feel about it.


WOW.......... Seriously WOW that's frikin ridiculous.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 12:43AM #75
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I think somone at WotC may have had a brain-fart when they set up the auto-renew system.

I mean really guys, who the hell designed that? You need to bop him over the ears for being an idiot.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 1:18AM #76
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PheonixIV wrote:

I think somone at WotC may have had a brain-fart when they set up the auto-renew system.

I mean really guys, who the hell designed that? You need to bop him over the ears for being an idiot.


I get the impression that auto-renewals are a fairly common business practice, so WotC isn't crazy for following it. The way it is set up is confusing though, especially if you're not paying close attention. It has the appearnce of being deceptive, which I don't believe is the case here (at all), but still worth noting.

What would make it more palatable (at least for me ), is to have instant cancelation, no delay, no human interaction (as others have mentioned). As jgerman notes, humans are often simply an extra layer of difficulty, used to "talk you out of" canceling. I remember the hassle of trying to cancel my own dial-up AoL account now that Seguaro makes mentions of it .

I apologize if I'm harping on the issue too much here. It's just that I'd like to buy a subscription; I'm really uncomfortable with the way this is set-up right now though. If auto-renewal can be instantly canceled (no delays) or better yet, avoided altogether, I'll be quick to reconsider.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 2:06AM #77
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Artifact wrote:

I get the impression that auto-renewals are a fairly common business practice, so WotC isn't crazy for following it. The way it is set up is confusing though, especially if you're not paying close attention. It has the appearnce of being deceptive, which I don't believe is the case here (at all), but still worth noting.

What would make it more palatable (at least for me ), is to have instant cancelation, no delay, no human interaction (as others have mentioned). As jgerman notes, humans are often simply an extra layer of difficulty, used to "talk you out of" canceling. I remember the hassle of trying to cancel my own dial-up AoL account now that Seguaro makes mentions of it .

I apologize if I'm harping on the issue too much here. It's just that I'd like to buy a subscription; I'm really uncomfortable with the way this is set-up right now though. If auto-renewal can be instantly canceled (no delays) or better yet, avoided altogether, I'll be quick to reconsider.


There's nothing wrong with an auto-renewal system, it's fairly standard buisness practice.

What's wrong is that WotC appears to have no legal requirement to ever actually allow you to end the auto-renewal. Take very careful note of that wording, "somone should get back to you in 2 days."

So not only have they decided to not automate the process, which is plain silly, but they've left themselves a loophole so they can legally never respond to your request to cancel your auto-renewal.


THAT's the bit that somone needs to be bonked over the head for.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 2:34AM #78
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meh, not interested in ddi.

overpriced and not much past the visualiser that i like.
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 9:35AM #79
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Nemo_the_Lost wrote:

Personally, I don't know if I'll be paying the piper or not. I'm offended by the cost, but as a DM whose players are wholly enamored with D&D4, I feel like a subscription to Dragon is a virtual necessity, given the negligible amount of content currently available for the system on the open market. The free articles up until this point have been the only thing making the game playable, in my opinion. My hands may be tied.


You know, it might not be unreasonable for you to ask your 4e enamored players to help split the cost with you.
After all, it's largely gor thier sake your consindering spending the $....

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2008 - 9:37AM #80
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sfdragon wrote:

meh, not interested in ddi.

overpriced and not much past the visualiser that i like.


QFT


I'll wait a few months until they realize they done ****ed up with the pricing and drop it. And after they've released over 9000 splat books so the compendium is worth it. And when they actually link the Encounter Builder to the Compendium so I can print out the stat blocks that go with the encounter I just made.

Really, this package is probably worth $5 a month....BASE PRICE. None of this $8 ****.

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