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Medriev wrote:

Without turning this into a Star Trek thread, the all knowing Wiki says that the 'Scotty Factor' is a factor of four (not doubling as I said) and is first mentioned in The Search for Spock (see link).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgomery_Scott

The TNG reference hearkens back to the earlier film reference.

To steer this slightly back to topic, shame Scotty (aka James Doohan) has shuffled off this mortal coil else he could have been called in to fix D&DI in a week or two (or four) :D .

Aha! That must be why the D&DI software isn't ready yet. Clearly, WotC has run out of Dilithium Crystals and needs a new warp core.

I am always in constant amazement of one constant on forums: people are told one thing by a comapny. They whine. Then they are berrated for it. Called trolls. Even personally attacked. And so often, the attacks aren't even lead by the companies that lied to them. No. The person/people attacking them are defending the rights of the company who lied. Why? I have no idea!

I do not blame the individual programmers/writers and other people for being late. However, why is the company not held responsible? That is the question that I find so perplexing. It seems to be a general pattern of latency from society to just "accept it as the way it is," rather than demand that what they've been told be held to the level of truth. A level of truthfulness. That should not be difficult. (Well, maybe if you're five and you mixed the dog food in with the ice cream and was asked if you did it. But, not when it comes to companies using people's money.)

If I am told something by someone, I would expect it to be the truth. Perhaps, that's naive. But, at least it's an optimistic approach. Now, if I'm told by a company something, I shouldn't say, "Well, what they're working on is complicated," or "It's a company and they all lie." No, I should demand (because I am the consumer and they are at our mercy - not the other way around) that they be truthful. The same should be true for government, car companies, iPod dealers, etc...

All I am saying is the people who "whine" should not be berrated or have that held against them. They should be applauded. I do not have the patience to do the job they do. I just pay, wait, and wait, and wait, and then eventually hope the product comes out. But, the whiners are the ones that force the issue. And if it weren't for them, then you might see companies take an even bigger advantage of their consumers than what they already do.

So cheers to the whiners. May their tongue and fingers never tire. Thank you.

belefauntes wrote:

Do software companies push back their product all the time? Yes. But they don't wait until release day to tell you!

Working in software and game sales for over 8 years i have seen many a game or softare not release on the day advertised. I have also seen many a game not released and the company not tell anyone, including hte people that are selling it that is not going to be released until after the day has come and gone.

Prime Example: Masters of Orion 3. The day of game release i had people waiting to purchase that game waiting outside my stores door day of scheduled release. Open the store UPS shows with shipments. No Master of Orion in sight. I check the computer and it still lists release day as the current date. 3 days later we get a email form the company saying it got pushed back 2 months.

I have seen this happen with at least 2 games every year. R&D doesnt always talk to marketing. Marketing doesnt always talk to R&D. It sucks and its stupid but thats they way things happen. And every company has the same issues. Some are just better at hiding it then others.

penandpaper2 wrote:

So cheers to the whiners. May their tongue and fingers never tire. Thank you.

There is a difference between Whiners, and people who give Constructive Critisism. I'll not cheer for the whiners, but I'll cheer the others.

Because that's what Loyalists do. They are loyal to the end, without question or pause.

Then there are the Loyalists. They are opposed by the people who have used a company's products, and found the quality to be satisfactory enough, that they are willing to continue using that product, so long as the value remains in tact.

I like to think that the Loyalists and the Whiners cancel eachother out, leaving behind the people who actually evaluate whats going on, and make reasonable, well informed opinions, for good or bad. Typically, these people recognize the faults and applaud the successes. Those are the people who I usually try to follow and pay the most attention to.

And if I may be indulged for waxing poetic here, I think that inside of every whiner, every loyalist, and everyone who doesn't fit into either, they all wear the title of Gamer. That overrides the other titles as far as I'm concerned, and that gives them the right to come here and say whatever they so desire.

If you want to cheer for someone, or pledge allegience to someone, I say cheer for the gamers. They are the ones who are trying to make life just a little bit more fun. And nothing is going to stop them from doing just that.

Kyros_Tachyus wrote:

*Kyros Tachyus has officially joined the AsmodeusLore fanclub*

Woot! Another soul to join my army of hell!
mwahaha.