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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 5:57AM #31
WolfStar76
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KM wrote:

I have said in another thread, the fact that if you have to subscribe to get into the early part of the beta, you are basically paying for the beta. Thats what was misleading IMO they are going to charge for the beta when WOTC DM said they were not going to charge for the beta. Bait and switch like they did with the barbarian playtest article.

I also find it funny how WOTC did not put this update on the main DnD page like they did with the other updates. Its like they did not want the public to see what was in this report. Interesting.


You still get in on the beta without paying. There are two stages to a typical Beta.

Closed beta - where you offer the software to a limited base. They're limiting to DDXP signups, and to subscribers.

Open Beta - Open means just that - open to anyone. It's for working out the final bugs in the system.

You're not paying for the beta - unless you specifically choose to signup for DDI for the closed beta and the closed beta only. That's your perogative.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:08AM #32
Cailte
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Baalzephon wrote:

I'd say magazines, but since your release schedule incorporates them BOTH it really seems like a single magazine with two differently named sections


Actually with the change in the format, and the current presentation this I think is a very valid observation. In considering a DDI subscription I do not feel that I'm getting 2 magazines, I cannot subscribe to only 1 of them for example. I feel I'm getting one "DDI Magazine" and it has two parts "Dragon" and "Dungeon"

I've not held a Dragon subscription since the early 90's, but subscribed to Dungeon for the Savage Tide AP, under all currently revealed plans I could not do that with the digital magazines. Further reinforcing the 1 magazine view.

This is also essentially a further extension of how the ToC is not being utilised to create product homogeneity and identity for the magazines. Its a look once and forget option, rather than a reference point. Instead the effective ToC is more often the front page of the site, where I can track what is new to the site today, which simply further subverts the actual ToCs you provide.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:12AM #33
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Kouk wrote:

When you say "Updates on M,W,F" people expect actual content updates. Not to knock your editorials and little videos, but that isn't what people first think when they see "Update." Earlier in this trial period, releases were pretty good. Usually a Dragon article and/or Dungeon adventure were released on one of the days, and not at 11:59 p.m. at that (unless I'm hallucinating and nostalgic for a nonexistent past).


I have to object to the complaints about the articles being released at 11:59PM. You aren't the only one to say this Kouk. I've seen others say the same thing.

The articles have all been released before 6PM, pacific. If you are in a different time-zone, it may look like they are being put up at the very last minute of the day, but thats simply not the case. There's no call to complain about the time something was released.

I think the better argument is that they aren't releasing actual articles. Releasing a cartoon or an editorial is fine and all, but don't make that the only release.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:16AM #34
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AsmodeusLore wrote:

I have to object to the complaints about the articles being released at 11:59PM. You aren't the only one to say this Kouk. I've seen others say the same thing.

The articles have all been released before 6PM, pacific. If you are in a different time-zone, it may look like they are being put up at the very last minute of the day, but thats simply not the case. There's no call to complain about the time something was released.


That's not entirely accurate, though? If they were released by 6PM pacific, they would have been out by 9PM Eastern, right? Not the case. I wish I could remember which ones, but I can distinctly remember at least 2 articles that came out either at or after midnight on the Monday, Wednesday, or Friday they were released.

I have a thread around here somewhere on it...lemme see if I can find it.

Edit: yeah, it's over in the "Um...new content this week?" thread - Oozes Slimes and Jello Molds came out after midnight, EST; mudbunny has also observed articles get pushed out really late for EST folks. Perhaps that's just some artifact of their CMS, but it doesn't help.

Edit: also removed the "that's not true" because I'm not accusing you of lying, it's just that we're seeing some sort of 6-hour lag, then, for some articles. They have been better lately - coming up in the evening instead of at midnight the last couple times.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:23AM #35
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I stand corrected.

Feel free to flame at your leisure.
*puts on his fire-proof undies*
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:28AM #36
Mock
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AsmodeusLore wrote:

I stand corrected.

Feel free to flame at your leisure.
*puts on his fire-proof undies*


Hm? No, no flames. Sorry if my tone was harsh; I just wasn't sure if people on PST are actually always seeing them before 6PM, while the East Coast gets some sort of odd lag (and if so, that is contributing to the perception that they're squeaking by, when they might be thinking, "What are you talking about? We publish by 6PM!")

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:41AM #37
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Here in Central, it's almost always up by 6-9, depending (usually 6-7).
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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 6:47AM #38
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Crimson Lancer wrote:

Here in Central, it's almost always up by 6-9, depending (usually 6-7).


That's very...odd. Perhaps I'm conflating a few really late releases into a bigger problem than they've been, but that is strange.

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 7:17AM #39
Kyros_Tachyus
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Ranadiel wrote:

I mean no direspect when I say this, but I think your pessimism was coloring your view as you were reading it because it is pretty clearly stated in the article.


Wow. I cannot believe I missed that. I'm very pleased with this though! But, I do feel like an absolute doofus. How in the world did I miss that...?

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5 years ago  ::  Sep 25, 2008 - 7:18AM #40
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The MWF thing is all about expectation management. People, rightly or wrongly, assume that is "content they can use" and that it will always be posted at the same time or when they are awake. WotC needs to communicate more clearly about this somehow.

If you always had updates come up at X p.m. Pacific, people would get used to the schedule and stop complaining about it, eventually. Frankly, I don't get the fuss. It's no less useful to me if I get it on Thursday than on Wednesday (other than it decreases my confidence in your ability to deliver in general).

The tone of this was a tad snarky, frankly.

And, I do think the navigation and ToC are not quite as easy as they could be. I don't have a specific suggestion right now, as I should be working....
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