Unfortunatly for your type... no luck, I've seen somewhere they are not supporting it.
Ah well, it's not necessary, but it would have been nice since my preferred lappy is currently the Mac. Running it in XP inside VMWare Fusion will do if I need to travel-game.
Ah well, it's not necessary, but it would have been nice since my preferred lappy is currently the Mac. Running it in XP inside VMWare Fusion will do if I need to travel-game.
I very much want variability in character body types.
I have players who play fat characters, I have players who play muscular characters, and I have players who play average characters. Females should have variation in breast size. Females should have the option of being flat chested, why do all "heroic" females have to have "heroic" breasts?
I want a lot of variation in faces. The selection in NWN2 was disappointing.
I want a lot of variation in hair style.
I want magic weapons to look special and I want mundane weapons to look boring.
There must be enough variety available that you can easily distinguish between Bob's halfling ranger (in leather armor with a bow) and Dave halfling rogue (in leather armor with a bow) without making one wear black and the other white.
I very much want variability in character body types.I have players who play fat characters, I have players who play muscular characters, and I have players who play average characters. Females should have variation in breast size. Females should hav
Somehow I doubt that this will be allowed. Think Hot Coffee/Nudie mods, and the difficulty in policing the system. It would only take one kid to get onto a table with a nude character and (probably legal-type) trouble would ensue.
There's always that wonderful disclaimer: online content/game play subject to change. -- TAZ
There's always that wonderful disclaimer: online content/game play subject to change.--TAZ
Perhaps this has all ready been asked and answered, but when the DM gives out new armor, items, weapons, equipment will the players be able to update their characters?
If so then very cool, if not...not so good.
Perhaps this has all ready been asked and answered, but when the DM gives out new armor, items, weapons, equipment will the players be able to update their characters?If so then very cool, if not...not so good.
Would it be possible to have the Creator translated in other languages? I know that english is the language for D&D, but it could help to have a translated version of all the on-line content/games materials... Even if I am used to read and sometimes think feats, talents, abilities in english, it does not mean I may not love a translated version!
Would it be possible to have the Creator translated in other languages? I know that english is the language for D&D, but it could help to have a translated version of all the on-line content/games materials... Even if I am used to read and sometimes
Ok, first an apology to all the posters on this thread, I did not read most of them. I concentrated on the Staff postings, as they are what really count.
I am not an early adopter of any gaming system. I wait until a decent amount of material is published and then make an informed decision, as best I can.
First, from what I have read, it appears that the character generator will enable use of all currently published materials, but will not have the full description availiable to be printed or viewed without the e-book version source being purchased. The e-book seems only be accessible if you have the print book with code.
So why not have a 2 tier purchasing system. A 'nominal' fee if you have purchased and have the code from a print book, and a higher, say 1/4 to 1/3 the print price to just purchase the e-book. This would allow players to print out info with character sheets without breaking the bank or your back.
If the characters created are stored only on your system, who owns the rights to them?
If WoC is worried about storage space, save characters locally and not on your server. As a player, I tend to create lots of characters when deciding what to play. I like to keep them around in case of character death. As a GM, I have 8 players in my group, and some of my battles will have 20+ creatures/characters involved at the same time. If this suite of applications cannot support that, then what use is it to me?
Next, if 4e is such a great system, and will completely blow 3.5 out of the water, why has WoC withdrawn all licenses to the various 3.5 character generators? It seems to me, this is a direct attempt by WoC to bully me, a person who likes to use character generators into the 4e rule set, by making it difficult, if not impossible, to use a 3.5 character generator with the WoC non SRD rulebooks. WoC long ago gave up on any attempt for a character generator for 3.0, and outsourced the 3.5 version to become e-tools. If WoC is truly there for the CUSTOMERS enjoyment, this seems like an bass akwards way to express it. Reinstate the licenses and let those companies take their chances if they are willing to develop the last few 3.5 books into their character generators and sell them. It costs WoC nothing, and will gain WoC back at least some of the goodwill they seem to want, but can never seem to maintain.
Finally, is this Suite going to support multiple monitors? Our gaming group has installed a ceiling projector for projecting the maps onto the table top. We would be much more interested in at least the mapping tool and character visualizer if the map tool supported a DM monitor with a separate player monitor for projection. That way we can have a 52" screen right in front of us.
Thanks ConBen
ps. Why does your word processor bother to tell me of misspellings, if it doesn't have a searchable dictionary with replacement function?
Ok, first an apology to all the posters on this thread, I did not read most of them. I concentrated on the Staff postings, as they are what really count.I am not an early adopter of any gaming system. I wait until a decent amount of material is pub
This is incorrect. The ownership of the E-Version is independent of your D&DI subscription. You will be able to own the E-Version and not be a D&DI subscriber, or be a D&DI subscriber without having to get the E-Version. If you own the E-Version and are a D&DI subscriber, then you get an extra benefit from owning the E-Version in the sense that, in the D&DI applications suite, you will get the details of the game elements relevant to the book(s) you own the E-version of. If you do not own the E-Version, you will simply see in these applications the names with reference to the published book where these elements have been published.
So for example if I subscribe to D&DI and own a particular book I will be able to use those materials in creating my character?
Sorry if this has already been asked, but will the character creator be a stand alone product that runs on my computer rather than web-based? One of the problems I have is that my internet access is sporatic and I would like something that runs on my computer without needing to access the internet.
BTW, I notice that a fair amount of the time that I want to access WotC content, it is unavailable, like in the middle of the night when you are down for maintenance.
One thing that I have heard that is encouraging is that the R&D team will be building the files to support the applications support (e.g. they create a new class and someone in R&D creates the data files to support that class). That is a good way to do things. One thing that I had a problem with CMP was how long it took to create data files (although I appreciate their efforts because it was a lot getter than nothing).
I hope that WotC provides good electronic support to the Character Generator with the new material it sells. And I hope you sell enough subscriptions to D&DI to fund that support. $10/month seems fair and I am sure I will be spending another $40/month on game materials, but that is as high as I am willing to go.
I spent ~$400 on CMP Datasets for PCGen over the past 4 years and I spend another $1000 on editions 3.0 and 3.5 of D&D. That's cheap for all the entertainment I got. I just want a quality product not full of bugs that I have to find for myself and ask for them to be fixed. Please have staff to do quality assurance and have the designer create game mechanics that can be supported by the applications.
John
So for example if I subscribe to D&DI and own a particular book I will be able to use those materials in creating my character?Sorry if this has already been asked, but will the character creator be a stand alone product that runs on my computer rath
So for example if I subscribe to D&DI and own a particular book I will be able to use those materials in creating my character?
You will be able to use the published material to create your character from the character sheet application regardless of your ownership of any particular E-Book.
If you are a D&DI subscriber, the ownership of an E-book allows you to consult the details of a feat (for example) from your computer screen. Without this E-Book, you will simply know the name of the feat and will have to use the physical book to see what this feat does. You can use this feat when creating your character from the character sheet application, even if you do not own the E-book where that feat was published.
Sorry if this has already been asked, but will the character creator be a stand alone product that runs on my computer rather than web-based? One of the problems I have is that my internet access is sporatic and I would like something that runs on my computer without needing to access the internet.
Most of the functionalities of the D&DI applications will require that you are logged in and a current D&DI subscriber.
BTW, I notice that a fair amount of the time that I want to access WotC content, it is unavailable, like in the middle of the night when you are down for maintenance.
I would assume that there will always be time where the servers have to be down for maintenance purpose. I have no idea today how often this will have to occur, but obviously we will do our best to keep the required maintenance time to a minimum.
One thing that I have heard that is encouraging is that the R&D team will be building the files to support the applications support (e.g. they create a new class and someone in R&D creates the data files to support that class). That is a good way to do things. One thing that I had a problem with CMP was how long it took to create data files (although I appreciate their efforts because it was a lot getter than nothing).
With 4th Edition, there is a huge effort from R&D to work in a more structured and "data-friendly" way. This of course is not affecting the game design itself. The designers/developers do not have any mandate to create rules and systems that match a specific data structure. It is the data structure that needs to follow where they lead. This said, there are ongoing discussions both ways that helps shape the whole thing, but in case of a doubt, the D&D game always win over any data structure.
We are using versioning tools as well as Filemaker Pro databases to provide the best flexibility and adaptability to this ongoing process, as we also have to account to the natural evolutions that happen from one play test phase to another, until the game rules are fully consolidated.
I hope that WotC provides good electronic support to the Character Generator with the new material it sells. And I hope you sell enough subscriptions to D&DI to fund that support. $10/month seems fair and I am sure I will be spending another $40/month on game materials, but that is as high as I am willing to go.
I spent ~$400 on CMP Datasets for PCGen over the past 4 years and I spend another $1000 on editions 3.0 and 3.5 of D&D. That's cheap for all the entertainment I got. I just want a quality product not full of bugs that I have to find for myself and ask for them to be fixed. Please have staff to do quality assurance and have the designer create game mechanics that can be supported by the applications. John
Our Q/A department will be involved, and we have a process in place that is incorporating testing as part of the deliverable we expect. We are using the Agile (or Scrumm) methodology, and are going through developments in sprints of a few weeks. At the end of each sprint, as per the Scrumm methodolody, we take delivery of an application that is tested and could theorically be shipped as is. This is the nature of the Scrumm process, and a big change of methods that the new Digital Gaming department at Wizards of the Coast has been spear-heading. Radiant Machine is also very involved in that process as in fact, they are the ones that introduced us to this methodology.
We do plan to have alpha, closed beta and open beta tests for the D&DI applications suite when the time is right.
Last, know that I'd prefer to produce a quality product that is not full of bugs.
You will be able to use the published material to create your character from the character sheet application regardless of your ownership of any particular E-Book.If you are a D&DI subscriber, the ownership of an E-book allows you to consult the deta
I have a general question...this may have been asked and already answered, but I'm still unsure...this might not even be the place to ask for that matter.
If I buy a hard copy book from 4E, do I automatically get access to the e-book version online with a subscription to DnD Insider?
I ask because I thought I read something that the online character generator will allow you access to the ebooks so you do not have to reference the hard copy when using the character generator.
I personally feel that paying for a hard copy should grant you access to the e-book version also.
Anyone know the answer? Please no speculation on the answer.
Thanks.
I have a general question...this may have been asked and already answered, but I'm still unsure...this might not even be the place to ask for that matter.If I buy a hard copy book from 4E, do I automatically get access to the e-book version online wi
If I buy a hard copy book from 4E, do I automatically get access to the e-book version online with a subscription to DnD Insider?
If you buy the hard copy, there will be some mechanism for you to get an ecopy for a small (cost of a cup of coffee is the rough price guide given) fee. Supposedly, this small fee covers the extra work involved with the e-version as well as the extras that will be included.
If you buy the hard copy, there will be some mechanism for you to get an ecopy for a small (cost of a cup of coffee is the rough price guide given) fee. Supposedly, this small fee covers the extra work involved with the e-version as well as the extr
If I buy a hard copy book from 4E, do I automatically get access to the e-book version online with a subscription to DnD Insider?
Malraux wrote:
If you buy the hard copy, there will be some mechanism for you to get an ecopy for a small (cost of a cup of coffee is the rough price guide given) fee. Supposedly, this small fee covers the extra work involved with the e-version as well as the extras that will be included.
What's more, it has been hinted at that the e-versions of the book will be updated with any errata.
On the Character Creator front the difference is that without an e-version of a book you'll see only the name of an element, but no game information.
--- Huldvoll
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What's more, it has been hinted at that the e-versions of the book will be updated with any errata.On the Character Creator front the difference is that without an e-version of a book you'll see only the name of an element, but no game information.--
If you buy the hard copy, there will be some mechanism for you to get an ecopy for a small (cost of a cup of coffee is the rough price guide given) fee. Supposedly, this small fee covers the extra work involved with the e-version as well as the extras that will be included.
Thanks! Now we need to define if that cup of coffee is McDonalds or Starbucks :D ...Seems fair to me.
Thanks! Now we need to define if that cup of coffee is McDonalds or Starbucks :D ...Seems fair to me.
How will the code be protected, will it b on a CD or something so that no1 can open the book inside the store activating it 4 him self making the actual buyer a big time looser?
If some1 buys a used book, will there b any kind of guarantee that he also will have a code not in use by some1 else?
How will the code be protected, will it b on a CD or something so that no1 can open the book inside the store activating it 4 him self making the actual buyer a big time looser?If some1 buys a used book, will there b any kind of guarantee that he als
How will the code be protected, will it b on a CD or something so that no1 can open the book inside the store activating it 4 him self making the actual buyer a big time looser?
If some1 buys a used book, will there b any kind of guarantee that he also will have a code not in use by some1 else?
So far they have not determined how code will be provided, let alone protected.
I do not believe they have said anything yet about resale of the physical book.
So far they have not determined how code will be provided, let alone protected.I do not believe they have said anything yet about resale of the physical book.
1.a) say i make a human barbarion based on the scottish picts can i customise my charicter looks so i can ware a tartan of the corect clan?
1.b) say in the future wotc makes a supplement "complete pict" in wich theres a tartan of sustainrd rage: a barbarions rage lasts 24 hrs afterwords all penaltys are dubbled. can my afore menchioned charicter be able to ware it in the visualizer?
ok i have a two parter here so:1.a) say i make a human barbarion based on the scottish picts can i customise my charicter looks so i can ware a tartan of the corect clan?1.b) say in the future wotc makes a supplement "complete pict" in wich theres a
But I think there needs to be some white space on the character sheet. A page that is full edge to edge is not a good layout from a graphic design standpoint and a lot of players, like myself, make a lot of notes in the margins.
My suggest may get burried:But I think there needs to be some white space on the character sheet. A page that is full edge to edge is not a good layout from a graphic design standpoint and a lot of players, like myself, make a lot of notes in the mar
1.a) say i make a human barbarion based on the scottish picts can i customise my charicter looks so i can ware a tartan of the corect clan?
1.b) say in the future wotc makes a supplement "complete pict" in wich theres a tartan of sustainrd rage: a barbarions rage lasts 24 hrs afterwords all penaltys are dubbled. can my afore menchioned charicter be able to ware it in the visualizer?
While I will leave the specifics of the program to others, .. as a matter of history, it wasn't until the 1800's until Tartan patterns were 'assigned' to mean Clan or other organization. -before this time, the designs were goverened by what ever the weaver happen to have avaialbe at the time of year/season/location. - and thus, were essentually useless for identification purposes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tartan
While I will leave the specifics of the program to others, .. as a matter of history, it wasn't until the 1800's until Tartan patterns were 'assigned' to mean Clan or other organization. -before this time, the designs were goverened by what ever the
I would really like to see support for homebrew materials as many others would. The one issue I see from a buisiness perspective is that it would allow people to go copy info from a book at a store and then enter it manually into the char gen. Though, I suppose that the number of people that do that would probably not be that much of an issue, especially if this is a pay service, as they probably wouldn't be using this service in the first place if they can't afford their favorite supplements.
I would really like to see support for homebrew materials as many others would. The one issue I see from a buisiness perspective is that it would allow people to go copy info from a book at a store and then enter it manually into the char gen. Thou
You will be able to use the published material to create your character from the character sheet application regardless of your ownership of any particular E-Book.
If you are a D&DI subscriber, the ownership of an E-book allows you to consult the details of a feat (for example) from your computer screen. Without this E-Book, you will simply know the name of the feat and will have to use the physical book to see what this feat does. You can use this feat when creating your character from the character sheet application, even if you do not own the E-book where that feat was published.
will the Character sheet at least contain a book abreviation and page number for those feats/classes/races/abilities/items?
will the Character sheet at least contain a book abreviation and page number for those feats/classes/races/abilities/items?
If WoC is worried about storage space, save characters locally and not on your server.
Here here! And by the way: if you only save the relevant information (choices made, classes, feats, etc) by reference in a compact format, a character should be able to be saved with a mere 10K of storage. That allows 1 million people to each have 100 characters with just 1 TB of storage space. How many people in the world are playing DnD??
ConBen wrote:
If WoC is truly there for the CUSTOMERS enjoyment, ...
No they are not. WotC, like any other evil capitalistic company, is there to make a profit as high as possible for the benefit of its stock holders, disregarding everything that can potentially reduce profit.
Here here!And by the way: if you only save the relevant information (choices made, classes, feats, etc) by reference in a compact format, a character should be able to be saved with a mere 10K of storage. That allows 1 million people to each have 100
Here here! And by the way: if you only save the relevant information (choices made, classes, feats, etc) by reference in a compact format, a character should be able to be saved with a mere 10K of storage. That allows 1 million people to each have 100 characters with just 1 TB of storage space. How many people in the world are playing DnD??
Actually it might be interesting to know that using PCGen my 19th level paladin character file is 17.4kb. Which stores about 90% of the details of my character. And it's a plain text format, I really don't see it getting much smaller than 20k without losing vital info about what was taken at what level.
Actually it might be interesting to know that using PCGen my 19th level paladin character file is 17.4kb. Which stores about 90% of the details of my character. And it's a plain text format, I really don't see it getting much smaller than 20k without
Actually it might be interesting to know that using PCGen my 19th level paladin character file is 17.4kb. Which stores about 90% of the details of my character. And it's a plain text format, I really don't see it getting much smaller than 20k without losing vital info about what was taken at what level.
Well, depends how the information is actually stored. If the file is supposed to be readable by humans it becomes larger, of course. However, if you encode everything so that only the program can read it, you can make files quite small.
And if you want, you can really bloat the files by using extensive XML. :D
Well, depends how the information is actually stored. If the file is supposed to be readable by humans it becomes larger, of course. However, if you encode everything so that only the program can read it, you can make files quite small.To illustrate
based on what i've seen in the video (which only shows the 3d character model editor, not the character sheet part) the characters are ugly, uglier than NWN2 characters, which means it shouldn't cost anything extra if it is still in the same state when released. the only thing this character creator is good for, it would seem, is to make your virtual minis for the online tabletop, which i AM excited about, but other than that, from what i've seen, i'm not impressed.
based on what i've seen in the video (which only shows the 3d character model editor, not the character sheet part) the characters are ugly, uglier than NWN2 characters, which means it shouldn't cost anything extra if it is still in the same state wh
well, it seems that the visualizer is being toted while the actual "creator" (aka generator) is being pushed aside.
It will have some sort of generator from everything that is being said, it just that Wizards doesn't seem to think that it is as important than the click of table top player and visualizer.
sad, really.
well, it seems that the visualizer is being toted while the actual "creator" (aka generator) is being pushed aside. It will have some sort of generator from everything that is being said, it just that Wizards doesn't seem to think that it is as impor
Well, depends how the information is actually stored. If the file is supposed to be readable by humans it becomes larger, of course. However, if you encode everything so that only the program can read it, you can make files quite small.
To illustrate my point (with simple examples):
And if you want, you can really bloat the files by using extensive XML. :D
This is a straight copy of the pcg file in question. And I was thinking that one of the restrictions of using the OGL was that it had to be human readable, it must be the d20 stl I'm thinking of.
PCGVERSION:2.0
# System Information CAMPAIGN:3.5 RSRD|CAMPAIGN:3.5 RSRD Advanced|CAMPAIGN:3.5 RSRD Basics|CAMPAIGN:3.5 RSRD Epic|CAMPAIGN:Dave's House Rules, 35e|CAMPAIGN:Pauls House Rules, 35e|CAMPAIGN:PCGen Open Gaming Content VERSION:5.10.1-RC3 ROLLMETHOD:0|EXPRESSION:0 PURCHASEPOINTS:N POOLPOINTS:0 POOLPOINTSAVAIL:32 GAMEMODE:35e TABLABEL:0 AUTOSPELLS:Y USEHIGHERKNOWN:N USEHIGHERPREPPED:N LOADCOMPANIONS:N USETEMPMODS:Y AUTOSORTGEAR:Y SKILLSOUTPUTORDER:0
# Character Templates TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:Ajax's Bonus 2] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:Isolation of Gehenna] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:Raised from the Dead on Gehenna] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:Darkvision] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:Dave's Campaign Bonus Feats] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:7th level Bonus Feats] TEMPLATESAPPLIED:[NAME:13th level Bonus Feats]
# Character Feats FEAT:Turn Undead|TYPE:SPECIAL.TURNING.TURNUNDEAD|DESC: FEAT:Remove Disease|APPLIEDTO:+1/week|TYPE:DIVINE|DESC:You can use your Remove Disease an additional time per week FEAT:Divine Might|TYPE:DIVINE|DESC:As a free action, spend one of your turn or rebuke undead attempts to add your Charisma bonus to your weapon damage for 1 full round. FEAT:Divine Vigor|TYPE:DIVINE|DESC:You can channel positive energy to increase your speed and durability. FEAT:Improved Shield Bash|TYPE:GENERAL.FIGHTER|DESC:When you perform a shield bash, you may still apply the shield's shield bonus to your AC. FEAT:Mounted Combat|TYPE:GENERAL.FIGHTER|DESC:Once per round when your mount is hit in combat, you may attempt a Ride check (as a reaction) to negate the hit. The hit is negated if your Ride check result is greater than the opponent's attack roll. FEAT:Power Attack|TYPE:GENERAL.FIGHTER|DESC:On your action, before making attack rolls for a round, you may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. FEAT:Extra Turning|APPLIEDTO:4 Extra Turnings|TYPE:GENERAL|DESC:You can use your ability to turn or rebuke creatures four more times per day than normal. FEAT:Resist Poison|TYPE:GENERAL.7TH|DESC:You have built up an immunity to the effects of poisones by exposing yourself to controlled doses of them. FEAT:Ride By Attack|TYPE:GENERAL.FIGHTER|DESC:When you are mounted and use the charge action, you may move and attack as if with a standard charge and then move again. FEAT:Divine Shield|TYPE:DIVINE|DESC:You can channel positive energy to make your shield more effective for either offense or defense. FEAT:Leadership|TYPE:GENERAL|DESC:Benefits: Having this feat enables you to attract loyal companions and devoted followers, subordinates who assist you. FEAT:Glorious Weapons|TYPE:DIVINE|DESC:Use one of your turning checks to turn all ally's weapons within 60' radius to good aligned for the next number of rounds equal to your charisma modifier FEAT:Endurance|TYPE:GENERAL.7TH|DESC:You gain a +4 bonus on checks relating to stamina or extended physical activity. Also, you may sleep in light or medium armor without becoming fatigued. FEAT:Sacred Vengance|TYPE:GENERAL.DIVINE|DESC:You can channel positive energy to deal extra damage against undead in melee FEATPOOL:1.0
# Character Deity/Domain DEITY:Bahamut|DEITYDOMAINS:[DOMAIN:Air|DOMAIN:Good|DOMAIN:Protection]|ALIGNALLOW:013|DESC:The Lord of the North Wind, ruler of good dragons, and a god of wisdom, knowledge, prophecies, and song.|HOLYITEM:None|DEITYFAVWEAP:[]|DEITYALIGN:LG
# Character Spells Information SPELLBOOK:Paladin|TYPE:2 SPELLBOOK:Celestial Armor|TYPE:2 SPELLBOOK:Celestial Bone|TYPE:2 SPELLNAME:Bless|TIMES:1|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:1|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Bless Weapon|TIMES:2|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:1|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Bull's Strength|TIMES:2|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:2|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Cure Moderate Wounds|TIMES:1|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:3|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Dispel Magic|TIMES:1|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:3|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Protection from Evil|TIMES:1|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:1|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin] SPELLNAME:Resist Energy|TIMES:1|CLASS:Paladin|BOOK:Paladin|SPELLLEVEL:2|SOURCE:[TYPE:CLASS|NAME:Paladin]
# Character Description/Bio/History CHARACTERBIO:Resist Poison taken as 7th level bonus feat, Endurance taken as 13th level bonus feat. CHARACTERDESC: CHARACTERCOMP: CHARACTERASSET:Heropoints: 21 CHARACTERMAGIC:
# Character Master/Follower FOLLOWER:Suzanne de Rheims|TYPE:Followers|RACE:HUMAN|HITDICE:0|FILE:\Suzanne de Rheims.pcg
# Character Notes Tab NOTE:Character Sheet Notes|ID:1|PARENTID:-1|VALUE:Resist Poison taken as 7th level bonus feat, Endurance taken as 13th level bonus feat. NOTE:New Item|ID:2|PARENTID:1|VALUE:New Value
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# Chosen Armor Profs
# Age Set Selections AGESET:1:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0
The only extra info that it contains is the feats desc. And I'm not sure why it's saving that in the character file. I'm going to find out why.
This is a straight copy of the pcg file in question. And I was thinking that one of the restrictions of using the OGL was that it had to be human readable, it must be the d20 stl I'm thinking of.[code]PCGVERSION:2.0# System InformationCAMPAIGN:3.5 RS
Since this sounds like it'll integrate a player's character sheet with a DM toolbox of stuff, please don't make a DM have to own every book for a player to use a particular ability.
Right on...(showing my age heh?LOL) I got my characters to make copies of special character rules to keep wih character sheets so that they knew what they could do...and so that I didn't have to own, and read every source material that is out for Dungeons and the D20 system..I work for a living and don't have enough time to do it all. LOL Gotta pay for my gaming somehow, LOL!
Right on...(showing my age heh?LOL) I got my characters to make copies of special character rules to keep wih character sheets so that they knew what they could do...and so that I didn't have to own, and read every source material that is out for Dun
This is a straight copy of the pcg file in question. And I was thinking that one of the restrictions of using the OGL was that it had to be human readable, it must be the d20 stl I'm thinking of.
PCGVERSION:2.0 [snip]
The only extra info that it contains is the feats desc. And I'm not sure why it's saving that in the character file. I'm going to find out why.
Remember, WotC as the Intellectual Property owner does not operate under the OGL or the d20 StL unless they wish to release an item under one of those. They are perfectly free to implement binary only solutions.
As for local/remote storage... I would hope for a "pie in the sky" option of having the ability to store remote, but also make an offline backup that can be read locally. This way if I playing at a friends house and we DON'T have net access, I can still "read my character" off a memory chip/cd/whatever portable storage and I can later on either make the same changes online or upload my updated file. Strong file checking routines would need to be implemented of course. The remote storage option might reasonably limit your "text" so you couldn't store a 100 page character history, but again, a reasonable binary file size of under 16k would work for detailing feat/skill/class selections, etc.
One more request: If the creator has the option of exporting the character, please include the ability to not only export to pdf, but to a standard text format (comma delineated, db2, whatever). The current PDF character sheets I have access to are great for printing, for lousy for actual "storage"... I'd like to be able to grab a characters skills and pop them in a text file so I could have them in my pre world wide web PDA without having to manually type in the information.
Remember, WotC as the Intellectual Property owner does not operate under the OGL or the d20 StL unless they wish to release an item under one of those. They are perfectly free to implement binary only solutions.As for local/remote storage... I woul
One more request: If the creator has the option of exporting the character, please include the ability to not only export to pdf, but to a standard text format (comma delineated, db2, whatever). The current PDF character sheets I have access to are great for printing, for lousy for actual "storage"... I'd like to be able to grab a characters skills and pop them in a text file so I could have them in my pre world wide web PDA without having to manually type in the information.
If you're realy lucky, they'll only allow exporting in Word 2007 format, designed to be printed on US Letter.
If you're realy lucky, they'll only allow exporting in Word 2007 format, designed to be printed on US Letter.
Has the alpha started? When does the closed beta start and what will it take to be invited? Does any one know? Old RPGA member checking in for what looks to be a product with real possibilities.
Has the alpha started? When does the closed beta start and what will it take to be invited? Does any one know? Old RPGA member checking in for what looks to be a product with real possibilities.
A couple of ideas on ways to work with multiple players and sharing books. However,I'm going to assume that WotC will expect every user of D&DI and the Online Gaming Table to own their own copy of the Player's Handbook. That's pretty much a given (to me) that you would own a copy of the game at it's most basic level. After all,you don't "need" to own the book to play the game,but you should own it to use the resources offered by D&DI. If you can't afford a PHB,you probably can't afford the monthly subscription fees anyway.
Anyways,my ideas...
Have a Tiered system set up so that a book may be used among members of a group. Set a payment plan accordingly. For those familiar with Everquest there's a similar system for their EQplayers site. You pay $15 a month for the game,you pay $.99 to use EQplayers web site,you pay an additional $.99 to access some of the higher level features such as character inventories and item links or Guild tools,etc.
I think D&DI could use a similar system. Tier 1 for basic services,Tier 2 could be set up to share online resources with X people affiliated with their gaming groups basically giving them a set number of "allowances" to use ,and Tier 3 for a player who wishes to share with a large group or a couple different DMs and Tier 4 would allow DM's to access their groups books online for the character generator. DM's would probably incur the most expenses with that system,but haven't we done that for years already?
As an example. I myself DM and I "generally" buy all books I use in my campaigns except maybe a book specifically aimed at certain classes. For instance the old "Complete Priest (cleric?) Handbook". From what I'm seeing I'll be able to use all of my materials no problem,however,I didn't buy "The Complete Cleric" handbook,but my buddy Tony has it since he plays a cleric and he uses a few of the rules and feats / skills from it in our adventures. Now,since we'll most likely be using D&DI for some of the services provided (I have almost every Dragon to date,would hate to ruin my track record.) My gaming group "shares" their E-code with me so that I can provide them with the hours of adventures they crave and I in return can use the online services to create characters that can compete and survive against my players. Giving me access to any supplements my characters use so that I can look over any rules or situations to plan my adventures around.
Now then,Tony decides he is going to quit playing with our group and move to another,he takes my D&DI account off his list of "allowances" so that I no longer have access to his books so that he can give that "allowance" to his new DM because he didn't buy that book either. Tony still has his book,my campaign characters still have the feats and skills as they were created with (because I printed them out),but I've lost the online version of the book and any other material because I've "lost" that resource to use further. Meanwhile,Tony still has his hard copy,his E-book copy,and his "X" number of allowances to share with his new group. Everybody wins.
WotC wins because "somebody" has to buy the books to share to begin with. They will still sell the same number of books regardless. Making a DM buy "every" book in use by his group will only drive away an already above average customer by limiting the hobby to those who are rich and have large amounts of expendable money,something this hobby has had very few of in my experiences playing. Most the people I know who play are High School and College level. Those beyond that are usually paying a mortgage,car payments and spending money on frilly stuff because the wife said to :D The other thing to consider is that the ongoing monthly fees would more than make up for any "losses" incurred from lack of book sales.
The system I propose would be something like this :
The allowances would be by D&DI user name only. It would assume every D&DI user would own the basic Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook and any supplements specific to their character. DM level Tier 4 would assume having PHB,DMG,and MM books to access.
Allow Gaming Groups to access from a pool of resources by either making Gaming Group specific names or having something in the User CP with an affiliated tag. The gaming group members will be assumed to have as many "allowances" on their accounts as in their particular pay package Tier. So Tony has 5 allowances since he games in a small group(Tier 2),but Bobby has 10 "allowances" because he normally plays with 8-10 people normally (Tier 3). I would have Tier 4 since I DM and would want all of my players to have access to my materials to create better characters. Those who don't want to "share" their books but want basic D&DI services would be Tier 1,giving them at least the Character Generator and use of the Online Gaming Table and if their gaming group is understanding of his financial status would still share books with him or withhold sharing depending on their own feelings.
Edit / Add : To WotC, please,please for all that's Unholy use a "scratch off" type code inside the books so that people can make sure that the code will be unused by those less scrupulous and has not been tampered with. Shrink wrapping books is bad since people tend to want to thumb through something to determine it's worthiness to their needs.
A couple of ideas on ways to work with multiple players and sharing books. However,I'm going to assume that WotC will expect every user of D&DI and the Online Gaming Table to own their own copy of the Player's Handbook. That's pretty much a given (to
A couple of ideas on ways to work with multiple players and sharing books. However,I'm going to assume that WotC will expect every user of D&DI and the Online Gaming Table to own their own copy of the Player's Handbook. That's pretty much a given (to me) that you would own a copy of the game at it's most basic level. After all,you don't "need" to own the book to play the game,but you should own it to use the resources offered by D&DI. If you can't afford a PHB,you probably can't afford the monthly subscription fees anyway.
Anyways,my ideas... ***SNP***
It's D&D not an MMORPG, though I do like your direction
Backward compatible with other suppliment/versions . . . think again, that would mean time money and effort in a reverse direction. Look in your closet, do you see SpellJammer or Darksun for 3.5e
Electronic formats for 4.e suppliments etc . . . finally, welcome to the electronic age !!!
Customizable for Home Brew's . . . I sure hope so
My biggest concern, how long until someone hacks the software ?
I don't like waiting, I feel this was all announced way to far in advance.
It's D&D not an MMORPG, though I do like your direction ;) Backward compatible with other suppliment/versions . . . think again, that would mean time money and effort in a reverse direction. Look in your closet, do you see SpellJammer or Darksun for
It's D&D not an MMORPG, though I do like your direction
Backward compatible with other suppliment/versions . . . think again, that would mean time money and effort in a reverse direction. Look in your closet, do you see SpellJammer or Darksun for 3.5e
Electronic formats for 4.e suppliments etc . . . finally, welcome to the electronic age !!!
Customizable for Home Brew's . . . I sure hope so
My biggest concern, how long until someone hacks the software ?
I don't like waiting, I feel this was all announced way to far in advance.
Let's see, E-Tools gets pulled (YaNkEd) from the market, no one can sell Data sets for any electronic character generator from "closed content" and can't sell the ones that already have been made, and the character generator that was gonna take E-Tools place is delayed from the sudden lack of support CMP found themself to have.
No viable replacement has been announced, nor is evident that a stand alone character generator/creator is ever going to be produced/allowed. The character "creator" online for the high, high price of 9.95 a month isn't even confirmed to be a rules character generator, the slap happy suits at Wizards promoting the Windoze only 3d creator imager that half of the players won't even be able to use because they don't use windoze. The only thing that is known is that you can make a pretty picture of a generic character build from the PHB 4.0.
It is said that the rules from any book made for 4th can be accessed but info being within the program is tengent on if you bought the electronic version of the book after having bought the book itself.
It is pretty much given that you will be able to use the visualizer as a character generator for your own characters, and that it is attached to the RPGA stuff to play with online. Whether or not it can be used for NPC's, monsters, treasure generating, etc etc etc is really up in the air, and Wizards ain't talking.
And you say it was announced to soon? Where have you been?
Let's see, E-Tools gets pulled (YaNkEd) from the market, no one can sell Data sets for any electronic character generator from "closed content" and can't sell the ones that already have been made, and the character generator that was gonna take E-Too
Let's see, E-Tools gets pulled (YaNkEd) from the market, no one can sell Data sets for any electronic character generator from "closed content" and can't sell the ones that already have been made, and the character generator that was gonna take E-Tools place is delayed from the sudden lack of support CMP found themself to have.
I know, all that customization for the Home Brews. The added feats from the Dragon Mags that took hours to input . . . poof !
thaX wrote:
No viable replacement has been announced, nor is evident that a stand alone character generator/creator is ever going to be produced/allowed. The character "creator" online for the high, high price of 9.95 a month isn't even confirmed to be a rules character generator, the slap happy suits at Wizards promoting the Windoze only 3d creator imager that half of the players won't even be able to use because they don't use windoze. The only thing that is known is that you can make a pretty picture of a generic character build from the PHB 4.0.
Yup, nice of them to support us Linux and Mac users.
thaX wrote:
It is said that the rules from any book made for 4th can be accessed but info being within the program is tengent on if you bought the electronic version of the book after having bought the book itself.
Double dipping . . . the government does that when it taxes us.
thaX wrote:
It is pretty much given that you will be able to use the visualizer as a character generator for your own characters, and that it is attached to the RPGA stuff to play with online. Whether or not it can be used for NPC's, monsters, treasure generating, etc etc etc is really up in the air, and Wizards ain't talking.
I hate hearing nothing, any news is better than no news . . . still the silence remains.
thaX wrote:
And you say it was announced to soon? Where have you been?
I have friends in the business that knew about this before it was even announced. But other than that I have a very large rock I reside under
I know, all that customization for the Home Brews. The added feats from the Dragon Mags that took hours to input . . . poof ! :weep: Yup, nice of them to support us Linux and Mac users.Double dipping . . . the government does that when it taxes us.I
What I've heard, mostly from the first announcement. It seems a few years out of date. For a static model to take the place of me just drawing my character the art would have to be pretty darn good (understatement) with a lot of room for small details. Ok not everybody can draw but, well I've seen better character creators tacked onto basketball games.
What I've heard, mostly from the first announcement. It seems a few years out of date. For a static model to take the place of me just drawing my character the art would have to be pretty darn good (understatement) with a lot of room for small detail
Ah as I understand it the advantage is not only can you design all the small details but update them as you get new equipment and change their pose. Still I admit I'd prefer a standalone version you can pay a one off fee for and have on your computer at home for offline use.
Ah as I understand it the advantage is not only can you design all the small details but update them as you get new equipment and change their pose. Still I admit I'd prefer a standalone version you can pay a one off fee for and have on your computer
there is a pretty decent character builder online that my group uses for pc/npc character creation. there are a few downsides to it. the big one is when it averages hp, sometimes it tends to be on the low end. also you can add prc's but you need to enter it manually. there is a weird thing were it incorporates the pc's speed into its jump skill as an extra bonus for high movement speed or a penalty for low movement speed.
after you have stated out the pc, you can save it to your computer or transfer everything by hand to a real character sheet. the dm is usually pretty lenient on character design, allowing for some creativity with different races, lvl adjustments, and stat lines. the dm reserves the write to call an audit on any character sheet at any time, when things pc's seem to broken. in my group that has only happened once, with a player who is a power gaming to the extreme
the only other thing is that you should not run this site in safari, runs way too slow
there is a pretty decent character builder online that my group uses for pc/npc character creation. there are a few downsides to it. the big one is when it averages hp, sometimes it tends to be on the low end. also you can add prc's but you need t
Thanks for the link. What I really like about the WOTC's one though is desiginging the 3d viewable part but I've bookmarked that site as I've been looking for a good free character generator for awhile now.
Thanks for the link. What I really like about the WOTC's one though is desiginging the 3d viewable part but I've bookmarked that site as I've been looking for a good free character generator for awhile now.
I would like it if it could print out Power Cards that are expended with use (Encounter/Per Day) for my character. Then when I use them I could discard them until an encounter is over or I have rested.
At Will will just stay on the sheet as is because they are never expended.
I would like it if it could print out Power Cards that are expended with use (Encounter/Per Day) for my character. Then when I use them I could discard them until an encounter is over or I have rested.At Will will just stay on the sheet as is because
I would like it if it could print out Power Cards that are expended with use (Encounter/Per Day) for my character. Then when I use them I could discard them until an encounter is over or I have rested.
At Will will just stay on the sheet as is because they are never expended.
We really don't need to make D&D into a CCG like Magic. There are to many already that think Magic the Gathering and Dungeons and Dragons are the same thing.
We really don't need to make D&D into a CCG like Magic. There are to many already that think Magic the Gathering and Dungeons and Dragons are the same thing.
Will the character visualizer allow me to pose my character riding a unicorn?
Hmm. . . that's a good one. I haven't seen any options for mounts in the demos (which are using anywhere from pre-alpha to beta versions depending on who you ask).
I'd assmue not, since that would change your base mini to a Large base instead of Medium. But that's just a random opinion.
Mebbe as a future option?
Hmm. . . that's a good one. I haven't seen any options for mounts in the demos (which are using anywhere from pre-alpha to beta versions depending on who you ask).I'd assmue not, since that would change your base mini to a Large base instead of Medi
Hmm. . . that's a good one. I haven't seen any options for mounts in the demos (which are using anywhere from pre-alpha to beta versions depending on who you ask).
I'd assmue not, since that would change your base mini to a Large base instead of Medium. But that's just a random opinion.
Mebbe as a future option?
Dude, my Paladin better be able to get his mount. I'd understand if it's not a Heavy Warhorse with the Winged Template like I have now though, but still a Paladin without a horse, that's just plain silly
Dude, my Paladin better be able to get his mount. I'd understand if it's not a Heavy Warhorse with the Winged Template like I have now though, but still a Paladin without a horse, that's just plain silly :)
Dude, my Paladin better be able to get his mount. I'd understand if it's not a Heavy Warhorse with the Winged Template like I have now though, but still a Paladin without a horse, that's just plain silly
I would like it if it could print out Power Cards that are expended with use (Encounter/Per Day) for my character. Then when I use them I could discard them until an encounter is over or I have rested.
At Will will just stay on the sheet as is because they are never expended.
I used to employ similar devices for my 2e games with Psionics (and some spells.) Just write'em up on 3x5 cards. If you have the ability, laminating these 'power cards' is a great idea too - helps keep the cards in decent shape for repeated use over many campaigns. Even if you don't play the same character type, or select the same abilities, someone else in your group might and then they don't have to spend valuable playing time writing up their own 'power cards.'
I used to employ similar devices for my 2e games with Psionics (and some spells.) Just write'em up on 3x5 cards. If you have the ability, laminating these 'power cards' is a great idea too - helps keep the cards in decent shape for repeated use ove
My only concern is that D&D insider and character creator will not have any features that include Player made classes. One of the things that was so great about 3E was the tremendous amount of player made content that was surprisingly balanced, and it would be incredibly sad to see that aspect of the game become neglected in the D&D insider. SO will classes and other user created content be able to be imported into the D&D insider character creator?
My only concern is that D&D insider and character creator will not have any features that include Player made classes. One of the things that was so great about 3E was the tremendous amount of player made content that was surprisingly balanced, and i
My only concern is that D&D insider and character creator will not have any features that include Player made classes. One of the things that was so great about 3E was the tremendous amount of player made content that was surprisingly balanced, and it would be incredibly sad to see that aspect of the game become neglected in the D&D insider. SO will classes and other user created content be able to be imported into the D&D insider character creator?
They've said that you'll be able to homebrew your characters - though if that means just changing the options withing 4E (IE - giving yourself a Feat at every level vs whatever system 4E uses) or going completely off the track and making custom stuff (like Feats, Classes, etc) remains to be seen.
They've said that you'll be able to homebrew your characters - though if that means just changing the options withing 4E (IE - giving yourself a Feat at every level vs whatever system 4E uses) or going completely off the track and making custom stuff
They've said that you'll be able to homebrew your characters - though if that means just changing the options withing 4E (IE - giving yourself a Feat at every level vs whatever system 4E uses) or going completely off the track and making custom stuff (like Feats, Classes, etc) remains to be seen.
It is also unclear how to keep the changes. There is a "checkmark" to allow homebrew, but if that is brought back to reset to the norm, it is unclear if the homebrew is wiped or just set aside. You can't use it while using the normal setting, so if a mistake is made...
It is also unclear how to keep the changes. There is a "checkmark" to allow homebrew, but if that is brought back to reset to the norm, it is unclear if the homebrew is wiped or just set aside. You can't use it while using the normal setting, so if a
It is also unclear how to keep the changes. There is a "checkmark" to allow homebrew, but if that is brought back to reset to the norm, it is unclear if the homebrew is wiped or just set aside. You can't use it while using the normal setting, so if a mistake is made...
Yeah, if it were a software application, I'd assume it would prompt you "do you want to reset non-standard choices?" but as its being described as a PDF with drop-downs. . . I dunno.
I suppose there could still be a macro that would prompt you. . .
I do like that checking the "homebrew" box adds a note stating that the sheet was "homebrewed" so that you know the sheet is non-standard, however.
Yeah, if it were a software application, I'd assume it would prompt you "do you want to reset non-standard choices?" but as its being described as a PDF with drop-downs. . . I dunno.I suppose there could still be a macro that would prompt you. . .I d
Is the character visualizer available at all yet? Like, a test program or something just to see the kinds of things we can do with it before blindly subscribing for benefits we have never seen?
Is the character visualizer available at all yet? Like, a test program or something just to see the kinds of things we can do with it before blindly subscribing for benefits we have never seen?
Is the character visualizer available at all yet? Like, a test program or something just to see the kinds of things we can do with it before blindly subscribing for benefits we have never seen?
Not yet.
There was an option to sign up for the DDI beta at DDXP, but I haven't heard about anyone being tapped for that beta.
There was also word that there would be an open beta before launch.
Lastly, they said at DDXP that everyone will be able to take a 10-day trial of DDI's offerings for free.
So, while the software isn't available for testing yet (that I know of) you will get a chance to test it before you pay for it.
Not yet. There was an option to sign up for the DDI beta at DDXP, but I haven't heard about anyone being tapped for that beta.There was also word that there would be an open beta before launch.Lastly, they said at DDXP that everyone will be able to
I would like a character sheet that was two sheets, front and back- one with gaming info and the other with RPing info
This is my :two cents:
sorry I skipped the previous pages.I would like a character sheet that was two sheets, front and back- one with gaming info and the other with RPing infoThis is my :two cents:
few points that seem to have been forgotten in this thread
1. like many groups usually one or two people buy a book that we all use, can we all use the unique code to update our online e-book library or are we forced to buy one each?
2. Buying second hand books, again can the unique code be activated by the new owner?
3. Is the character creator just going to be flooded with *optional* extras that are going to keep raising the costs, because dnd has always been relatively cheap entertainment over the long run, its not looking so much that way now
few points that seem to have been forgotten in this thread1. like many groups usually one or two people buy a book that we all use, can we all use the unique code to update our online e-book library or are we forced to buy one each?2. Buying second h
few points that seem to have been forgotten in this thread
1. like many groups usually one or two people buy a book that we all use, can we all use the unique code to update our online e-book library or are we forced to buy one each?
2. Buying second hand books, again can the unique code be activated by the new owner?
3. Is the character creator just going to be flooded with *optional* extras that are going to keep raising the costs, because dnd has always been relatively cheap entertainment over the long run, its not looking so much that way now
Good points!
1. This is the strategy - to 'encourage' more people to buy the books. I know that as the DM. I will probably still be the only one to buy the books in my group, although two might buy the PH to get access to DDI, pending our acceptance of the new rule system - which is already two additional sales that they wouldn't ordinarily have.
2. Very good point. Either the secondary market will be killed outright or they will have to allow for this. I'm not sure how they will make the latter work without opening it up for abuse. I can already see the amount of complaints about people's codes having been hijacked.
3. From what I understand, the application is subscription-based, so no matter how many extras they add on, the subscription fee will remain constant. I hope I'm right.
Good points!1. This is the strategy - to 'encourage' more people to buy the books. I know that as the DM. I will probably still be the only one to buy the books in my group, although two might buy the PH to get access to DDI, pending our acceptance o
3. From what I understand, the application is subscription-based, so no matter how many extras they add on, the subscription fee will remain constant. I hope I'm right.
From the reactions of a few articles, even some of the positive ones like Gamespy's, it sounds like there's actually a hope the price might even decrease, given time. I think there's almost no chance it'll go up, but it'd take over a year for it to go down, if it does.
From the reactions of a few articles, even some of the positive ones like Gamespy's, it sounds like there's actually a hope the price might even decrease, given time. I think there's almost no chance it'll go up, but it'd take over a year for it to g
1. This is the strategy - to 'encourage' more people to buy the books. I know that as the DM. I will probably still be the only one to buy the books in my group, although two might buy the PH to get access to DDI, pending our acceptance of the new rule system - which is already two additional sales that they wouldn't ordinarily have.
2. Very good point. Either the secondary market will be killed outright or they will have to allow for this. I'm not sure how they will make the latter work without opening it up for abuse. I can already see the amount of complaints about people's codes having been hijacked.
3. From what I understand, the application is subscription-based, so no matter how many extras they add on, the subscription fee will remain constant. I hope I'm right.
I'll admit I didn't read the whole post, but looking at the recent posts, I'm confused. I thought it's been stated that there are going to be no codes in the books because of the nightmare of manageing the system. So 1 and 2 are non issues.
I'll admit I didn't read the whole post, but looking at the recent posts, I'm confused. I thought it's been stated that there are going to be no codes in the books because of the nightmare of manageing the system. So 1 and 2 are non issues.
I can assert that my books (preordered the 3 book set) do not have any codes - just an ad offering a free 10-day trial at dndinsider.com - which is not a working link yet (just bounces back to wizards.com)
I can assert that my books (preordered the 3 book set) do not have any codes - just an ad offering a free 10-day trial at dndinsider.com - which is not a working link yet (just bounces back to wizards.com)
Ah yes very subtle missed that the first time because I thought it was just a generic DnD add, thanks. Hope I don't miss out on my chance to try the visualizer because it comes active and the time runs out before I notice it.
Ah yes very subtle missed that the first time because I thought it was just a generic DnD add, thanks. Hope I don't miss out on my chance to try the visualizer because it comes active and the time runs out before I notice it.
Me and my players love the Keep on the Shadowfell Character Passes: It has everything you need during play in a very simple and easy to look at way. And it has the powers with details!
I would prefer this style of pass over the standard PHB maths-driven layout.
For DDI-Character Builder, I would love to see, that you are able to print both versions, the standard pass plus the simplified pass
My wishes for DDI-Character Builder:Me and my players love the Keep on the Shadowfell Character Passes: It has everything you need during play in a very simple and easy to look at way. And it has the powers with details!I would prefer this style of p
Please remember that kids have evolved. We are looking at the Ipod generation, with a parents credit card attached to the MMO accounts and the ability to go to the local grociery store and buy a prepaid credit card for internet use. The box is alot larger in the credit world for this generation than it was 10 years ago when I was growing up.
Bull. I'm 15, don't play an MMO(I'm not paying for a game every freaking month.), don't have a cell phone, and don't have an Ipod. The local grocery store lets you buy a prepaid card for internet use with a single game. For instance, you can buy a card that gives you points to download games on a wii. Or you can get a card that pays for a major MMO for a month. Odds are people won't stock these cards for DDI, and books, even if Wotc decides to make it.
Furthermore that nominal fee is ridiculous. They could increase the cost of magic the gathering booster packs by 1 cent, and probably cover it, judging by how much magic the gathering sells.
Bull. I'm 15, don't play an MMO(I'm not paying for a game every freaking month.), don't have a cell phone, and don't have an Ipod. The local grocery store lets you buy a prepaid card for internet use with a single game. For instance, you can buy a ca
When DnD shifts from 4.0 to 4.5 will the programming be updated to include the rule changes? Or is this strictly going to be a 4.0 program and thats it?
When DnD shifts from 4.0 to 4.5 will the programming be updated to include the rule changes? Or is this strictly going to be a 4.0 program and thats it?
When DnD shifts from 4.0 to 4.5 will the programming be updated to include the rule changes? Or is this strictly going to be a 4.0 program and thats it?
how about something constructive instead of rehashed anti-4e sentiments that have been flying ever since 3.5 was announced
how about something constructive instead of rehashed anti-4e sentiments that have been flying ever since 3.5 was announced
Well, there is a point here. DDi is a full support of the new edition, and when the revision (if there is one) will put a damper on things.
I think that the books will simply be changed, and the term "revision, 2009" will appear on the title page. All PDF's would be updated to reflect the change and errata will make note of the new "printing."
This may involve a recall on all the old "printings"
Well, there is a point here. DDi is a full support of the new edition, and when the revision (if there is one) will put a damper on things. I think that the books will simply be changed, and the term "revision, 2009" will appear on the title page. Al
When DnD shifts from 4.0 to 4.5 will the programming be updated to include the rule changes? Or is this strictly going to be a 4.0 program and thats it?
My understanding is that there will only be 4th Edition, and 4th Edition will get regular updates, and the D&D Insider will support and sustain this model. I do not believe brand and R&D want to have a 4.5. Now I am talking from nearly a year old information, that was meaningful for us on the technical side to know how to plan the applications.
Based on these, we have been working to make D&D Insider applications to be as flexible as possible. Obviously, the application that is the most tied to 4th Edition is the Character Builder, and we certainly plan to have it updated with the latest publications (Online magazines and books), as well as the updates. When we can get the application out, it will have the latest data available from the published material, and we are still working on getting clear visibility into what is coming down the R&D pipeline in term of new content production, and find out what is the best process for us to keep up with this new content production.
So D&D Insider will support 4th Edition all along, and the applications other than the character builder are pretty much Edition independant anyway.
My understanding is that there will only be 4th Edition, and 4th Edition will get regular updates, and the D&D Insider will support and sustain this model. I do not believe brand and R&D want to have a 4.5. Now I am talking from nearly a year old inf
When DnD shifts from 4.0 to 4.5 will the programming be updated to include the rule changes? Or is this strictly going to be a 4.0 program and thats it?
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer:
Yes, and it will also convert all characters from all previous editions into 5th edition, seven years ago. So you actually missed your chance. The future update already happened...in the future. Oooooo-WEEEEE-OOOOO-ooooooooooo...
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer: Yes, and it will also convert all characters from all previous editions into 5th edition, seven years ago. So you actually missed your chance. The future update already happened...in the future. Oooooo-WEEE
ah, but they also never expressed a plan to NOT make 3.5, thay have conveyed a plan to NOT make 4.5
Thay have? Well, best laid plans and all, I wouldn't be all that surprised if it ends up happening anyways. Skills, Crafting (magical Items) and weird pricing sell/buy ratio are only tips of the iceburgs.
There is also the fact that Spellbooks are not really a part of the equation right now and that copying spells or researching new ones is made a mute point with the current set up. Vacian casting be put to rest aside, I didn't think that Wizards and Fighters would have the same output of "Powers" when I heard of the changes.
Hopefully, DDi will fail and we can get some good, quality stand alone programs to use instead.
Thay have? Well, best laid plans and all, I wouldn't be all that surprised if it ends up happening anyways. Skills, Crafting (magical Items) and weird pricing sell/buy ratio are only tips of the iceburgs. There is also the fact that Spellbooks are no
As a software engineer nothing pisses me off than when someone's impatience makes the brass have me release software before it's ready. Plus as a consumer I would rather have a complete product late than a bug ridden product that will require thousands of updates now
WHEN IT'S READY!As a software engineer nothing pisses me off than when someone's impatience makes the brass have me release software before it's ready. Plus as a consumer I would rather have a complete product late than a bug ridden product that will
As a software engineer nothing pisses me off than when someone's impatience makes the brass have me release software before it's ready. Plus as a consumer I would rather have a complete product late than a bug ridden product that will require thousands of updates now
well speaking as brass and as a consumer they should get their acts together and roll out something. games can be buggy. so what...make a patch.
well speaking as brass and as a consumer they should get their acts together and roll out something. games can be buggy. so what...make a patch.
As a software engineer nothing pisses me off than when someone's impatience makes the brass have me release software before it's ready. Plus as a consumer I would rather have a complete product late than a bug ridden product that will require thousands of updates now
And as a customer nothing pisses me off than telling people they will have some new products to enjoy. They knew it wouldn't be ready but didn't say so until like May or something and they knew it wouldn't be ready. It's just so silly, just tell us what's up, we all have the books and just want to know what is going on that's all. I have little faith in WoTC, their track record isn't the best. They pulled 3.5 on us and a broken E-Tools, so I think people have the right to be upset, maybe some whine too much but they expect what they are promised. No offense but I think most of us were upset when 3.5 came out and it wasn't the best idea IMO.
The longer this takes the more chance of it never happening becomes. Lost revenue, lost fanbase that will be using other VTTs. It's not so hard to say hey guys we need sometime we are working on X and Y and hoping for things to come together by maybe late fall.
I'm sorry I did not intend to attack you, never my intention. I also work in the computer world, I guess the engineers should not be held responsible, it's the marketing machine IMO. I am sure the programmers were a bit upset and told marketing they were asking for too much too soon. And I'm sure marketing knew that the programmers were going to take the brunt. But IMO there was a bad track record with 3.x so why should we back off and give them the benefit of the doubt? I only do this when a company has a "good" track record. It's just so hard to believe or support them anymore when they take advantage of us.
I mean I watched the 4th edition announcements on youtube and to me it centered around the new cool software...IMO it was a marketing ploy, I'll believe it when I see it. That being said I will still enjoy my three core books and play some local games with it when I find a new group, I like 4th just like I like all the other previous editions, been a player since 80 so I love all the editions.
And as a customer nothing pisses me off than telling people they will have some new products to enjoy. They knew it wouldn't be ready but didn't say so until like May or something and they knew it wouldn't be ready. It's just so silly, just tell us w
As a software engineer nothing pisses me off than when someone's impatience makes the brass have me release software before it's ready. Plus as a consumer I would rather have a complete product late than a bug ridden product that will require thousands of updates now
As just a consumer, I fully want things to come out at least four months after they are fully and completely done, and that will be some sort of preview for us to whinge about. And then I want another six months ironing out the valid and intelligent whinges.
And that is 100% serious. This includes video games. I can't tell you how many times all my friends have raged about dates being pushed further and further into the future on a video game, and when it's done it's crap because they hurriedly released it in hopes of quieting their ravenous proto-fans (who now are not actual fans, due in large part to themselves).
As just a consumer, I fully want things to come out at least four months after they are fully and completely done, and that will be some sort of preview for us to whinge about. And then I want another six months ironing out the valid and intelligent
Speaking as a customer only I want things to be released when they say they will be (I'm a very punctual person). If the cool new software is meant to be released on Date X you release it on Date X unless some last minute major bug became apparent the day before. If its not going to be ready for Date X then depending on the circumstances you do one of two things. These thing are either (a) don't say it'll be released on Date X or (b) say sorry folks this is taking longer than we thought and it wont be ready for the predicted release date we'll get back to you when we have a better idea of time frame and then you DROP all marketing that plays to the product which isn't going to be ready.
I'm only a casual gamer but I love dress-up style programs and the major interest to me was the character visualizer (to the point where I'd have been willing to pay a larger one off fee to get that alone for offline use) and I only found out it wasn't ready to use after receiving the books.
Speaking as a customer only I want things to be released when they say they will be (I'm a very punctual person). If the cool new software is meant to be released on Date X you release it on Date X unless some last minute major bug became apparent th
Speaking as a customer only I want things to be released when they say they will be (I'm a very punctual person). If the cool new software is meant to be released on Date X you release it on Date X unless some last minute major bug became apparent the day before. If its not going to be ready for Date X then depending on the circumstances you do one of two things. These thing are either (a) don't say it'll be released on Date X or (b) say sorry folks this is taking longer than we thought and it wont be ready for the predicted release date we'll get back to you when we have a better idea of time frame and then you DROP all marketing that plays to the product which isn't going to be ready.
I'm only a casual gamer but I love dress-up style programs and the major interest to me was the character visualizer (to the point where I'd have been willing to pay a larger one off fee to get that alone for offline use) and I only found out it wasn't ready to use after receiving the books.
Public Relations Guy A (Who doesn't know anything about programming at all, just saw a demo and figures it will be ready): This product will be released on June 6
Programmer B: Ok, I made a demo for the Con that "Appears" good but I still have at least a year of coding to make it actually, you know, work
PRGA: But I promised it so you have to have it done by then
PB: So you're authorizing my 80 hours of overtime a week to get this done on time right?
PRGA: Nope, in fact we're cutting back, noone gets overtime
PB:
Public Relations Guy A (Who doesn't know anything about programming at all, just saw a demo and figures it will be ready): This product will be released on June 6Programmer B: Ok, I made a demo for the Con that "Appears" good but I still have at leas
Managment Guy C calls Marketing Guy A into his office.
Management Guy C: "That revolutionary new system you've been billing as an integral part of our product for the past 4 years and was due 6 months ago, where is it?"
Marketing Guy A: "The developers didn't have it ready."
Management Guy C: "But you should have known that and taken steps to insure our loyal fanbase didn't get sick of non-devlivery and gone with our competitors products instead. ITS YOUR JOB as marketing."
Marketing Guy A: "But the developers."
Management Guy C: "Your fired, you have 2 hours to clean out your desk and your not getting a reference after THIS debacle."
2 hours later
Management Guy C: "So Development Guy B will you have the product we said we'd be ready to release 6 months ago up and running soon or do I need a new Development Guy in adition to my new marketing guy?"
Managment Guy C calls Marketing Guy A into his office.Management Guy C: "That revolutionary new system you've been billing as an integral part of our product for the past 4 years and was due 6 months ago, where is it?"Marketing Guy A: "The developers
Bull. I'm 15, don't play an MMO(I'm not paying for a game every freaking month.), don't have a cell phone, and don't have an Ipod. The local grocery store lets you buy a prepaid card for internet use with a single game. For instance, you can buy a card that gives you points to download games on a wii. Or you can get a card that pays for a major MMO for a month. Odds are people won't stock these cards for DDI, and books, even if Wotc decides to make it.
Furthermore that nominal fee is ridiculous. They could increase the cost of magic the gathering booster packs by 1 cent, and probably cover it, judging by how much magic the gathering sells.
You are in the minority of kids in the current generation. And when the poster said you can buy prepaid credit cards at a grocery store he is talking about the "gift cards" that work as a credit card. can use them anyplace that accepts credit cards. As for price, sure they can raise hte price of magic cards buy a pennie and make more then enough money but for reasons that are to numerous to go into companies keep their multiple lines seperate in regards to operating costs and profits.
You are in the minority of kids in the current generation. And when the poster said you can buy prepaid credit cards at a grocery store he is talking about the "gift cards" that work as a credit card. can use them anyplace that accepts credit cards
Management Guy C: "So Development Guy B will you have the product we said we'd be ready to release 6 months ago up and running soon or do I need a new Development Guy in adition to my new marketing guy?"
Spoken like someone that's never professionally written programming code
belive it or not the conversation I posted was a paraphrase of a conversation I had last year, and the marketing guy didn't get fired, in fact he was promoted to Management Guy A and fired me for making him a liar. If the world worked like your conversation Marketing guys would actually talk to people to get a feel for when something will be ready, in the world everyone else lives in, it's the guy trying to meet impossible and arbitrary deadlines that gets canned
Spoken like someone that's never professionally written programming codebelive it or not the conversation I posted was a paraphrase of a conversation I had last year, and the marketing guy didn't get fired, in fact he was promoted to Management Guy A
Spoken like someone that's never professionally written programming code
belive it or not the conversation I posted was a paraphrase of a conversation I had last year, and the marketing guy didn't get fired, in fact he was promoted to Management Guy A and fired me for making him a liar. If the world worked like your conversation Marketing guys would actually talk to people to get a feel for when something will be ready, in the world everyone else lives in, it's the guy trying to meet impossible and arbitrary deadlines that gets canned
I too am a former corporate flunkie programming guy. I made my way up through management, and after the company died several years back when that was common, I set myself up as my own boss (and trust me, as much as I love it, it AIN'T as glorious a life as you may think).
I have seen that same scenario unfold a multitude of times; but it never happened to me when I was programmer b. Why? Because when the promise was made and the marketing rep wouldn't see reason, I would call a staff meeting and make sure to include both my boss and her boss as well as anyone else applicable...and explain in detail when I might have it ready, and let my boss back me up as to why I only promised a strong 'might'. (He knew programming well enough to know.)
And the marketing rep would always go back to the clients and make her lies and excuses, and the clients were mollified if not satisfied. Usually.
Of course, I was only involved in a dozen or so coding jobs, and of them only lead on 8... but for those 8 my ass was always covered and our clients (the public in this thread) were made aware of reality well in advance.
That all said... I too was very much ****** the day after I got my books (I got them in a release party the night before), and found that there was no DND Insider to log into. Well, nothing more than I had seen months before. I would never have pre-ordered if I was aware of that, and I will not purchase any more WotC products until they have been release - and I know most of those I game with have made the same decision.
I too am a former corporate flunkie programming guy. I made my way up through management, and after the company died several years back when that was common, I set myself up as my own boss (and trust me, as much as I love it, it AIN'T as glorious a l
I just don't think the DDi is all that important. Even with the new pricing I don't feel that it is worth the cost. It is likely that the tools (Creator, Visualizer, DM, mapper, and maybe the Table) will have a separate price for that end. If it is the same as the web potion, I would be interested. If I have to get the web content to be able to use the other, than no.
I think the new edition can work fine without the DDi.
I just don't think the DDi is all that important. Even with the new pricing I don't feel that it is worth the cost. It is likely that the tools (Creator, Visualizer, DM, mapper, and maybe the Table) will have a separate price for that end. If it is t
I think the new edition can work fine without the DDi.
Of course it can. The devs said as much at GenCon last year when they announced 4E and the Digital Initiative.
The analogy they used (as awkward as it may be) was that of a 2-disc DVD set for a movie.
Disc 1 is the movie. It's all you need. In this case, that's 4E. Disc 2 is "bonus material". In this case that's D&Di.
D&Di has been billed as option accessories from the inception. Sure, the bonus content can be really exciting, but it's all ancillary to the main content.
Of course it can. The devs said as much at GenCon last year when they announced 4E and the Digital Initiative.The analogy they used (as awkward as it may be) was that of a 2-disc DVD set for a movie.Disc 1 is the movie. It's all you need. In this
Also, I have the D&D 4e Gift set (with PHB, DMG and MM) and I don't see any codes on any of the last pages of the books or on the box itself. There is only an ad for 10 day free trial at D&D Insider...
Does anyone have any clues on this?
Thanks
Ok, few questions, if this thread is still alive:Any news on the release date? Even which quarter?Also, I have the D&D 4e Gift set (with PHB, DMG and MM) and I don't see any codes on any of the last pages of the books or on the box itself. There is
Also, I have the D&D 4e Gift set (with PHB, DMG and MM) and I don't see any codes on any of the last pages of the books or on the box itself. There is only an ad for 10 day free trial at D&D Insider...
These are the most up to date bits of info on the whole kit and kaboodle.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080806http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080812These are the most up to date bits of info on the whole kit and kaboodle.
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