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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 6:48AM
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Very nice article! I personally loathe the warforged as a concept but that was an excellent presentation!
That said, the warforged are very much more powerful than the player handbook races. This is disappointing. I thought that with the new model of holding back popular things for future releases and with WoC taking control of the mags that this kind of power creep would at least be slower.
The big question is: who would play a half-elf when they could play a warforged? Hmmm....
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 6:49AM
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Ah, that would make it somewhat more useful!
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 7:27AM
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The big question is: who would play a half-elf when they could play a warforged? Hmmm....
Someone who likes the half elf racial abilities and flavor better than the warforged's.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 7:57AM
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Fair enough, but that was a rhetorical question. My comment is that it is very much more powerful than PHB races in general and the half-elf in particular. If everything that comes out of dragon is that mechanically superior, it is going to make PHB material the poor cousin of Dragon material. I expect that to a degree, since there has to be some incentive for buying a subscription, but this seems extreme for the first thing out of the box.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong. I support both the new system and the online magazine idea. I also think the article was of very high quality. What I dread though is the idea that power creep is already upon us and the game hasn't been out a week. A a message to the writers: Please keep the power creep in check - at least for a while. I was so thoroughly sick of it in third edition that I had come perilously close to quitting the hobby altogether last year.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 9:35AM
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Fair enough, but that was a rhetorical question. My comment is that it is very much more powerful than PHB races in general and the half-elf in particular. If everything that comes out of dragon is that mechanically superior, it is going to make PHB material the poor cousin of Dragon material. I expect that to a degree, since there has to be some incentive for buying a subscription, but this seems extreme for the first thing out of the box.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong. I support both the new system and the online magazine idea. I also think the article was of very high quality. What I dread though is the idea that power creep is already upon us and the game hasn't been out a week. A a message to the writers: Please keep the power creep in check - at least for a while. I was so thoroughly sick of it in third edition that I had come perilously close to quitting the hobby altogether last year.
I definitely agree that I don't want to see power creep spreading - but I very much disagree that the warforged is more powerful than the PHB races. It seems even with them, and especially good for certain roles, like the fighter.
Reasons why the Half-Elf is better, meanwhile: Half-elf is potentially stronger as a warlock, paladin or warlord, has access to the extremely useful human racial feats, and can add some utility to their character with their ability to snag another class's at-will power as an encounter power. I can think of several builds I'd much rather have a Half-Elf for - just as I can think of several builds I'd rather have a Warforged for.
It is definitely a solid option, but it doesn't overwhelm the PHB races at all - not in the way that power creep did in 3.5!
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 7:43PM
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Jul 21, 2006
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Really?
ABILITY BOOSTS
Warforged Str/Con vs. Half-elf Con/Cha
- not a massive difference but str/con seems a better synergy to me
SKILL BONUSES
- probably roughly equal
EXTRAS
Warforged:
+2 on saves against ongoing damage
Embeded components and special equipment options
Don't need to eat, drink or breathe
Only need four hours rest, not sleep (fully aware)
You can take 10 on save against dying
+1 will save
Racial Encounter Power: save and heal (not a surge) as a minor action
Half-elf:
Extra encounter power from the at-will list of another class
Considered both human and elf
+1 diplomacy for self and party
Warforged seems much better endowed out of the box than the half-elf to me - especially if it goes into a melee class.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 09, 2008 - 8:01PM
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Warforged seems much better endowed out of the box than the half-elf to me - especially if it goes into a melee class.
I'd have to disagree that its better than the half elf, and agree that its better as a fighter than the half elf.
One thing that only seems overpowered to me, is the items they can use. Like, no change in cost to have built in implements, lighter armor, heavy shields treated as light for the sake of using your hand, non disarmable weapons,
etc. Seems a bit much. I mean, like I said earlier, seems iffy.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 10, 2008 - 2:23PM
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This was a great article. I'm curious, are we going to be getting race articles like this only for races that will likely appear in the books (even if just MM entries), or can we expect race articles that are unique to DDi?
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5 years ago ::
Jun 12, 2008 - 4:13PM
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Jun 12, 2008
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This is a well written and well presented article. A good blend of fluff and crunch with plenty of variety and options for a player using a warforged. I share the concerns of some of the above posters reference power creep; let's hope this is as powerful as PC races get. 
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5 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2008 - 7:04AM
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I don't really think there can be any question that warforged are more powerful than the PhB races, at least at the moment (I'll come back to that later), but that's not what really bugs me. Go take a look at when that article is dated. Go on, I'll wait. Okay, now what was the date? 6/06/08. Exactly one day before the monster manual was available for sale. Now, I can understand them clarifying things like the warforged's 4-hour rest allowing them to stay alert, and I can forgive giving them a second skill bonus (it seems kinda unfair, otherwise), but to alter their racial power and give them a new racial trait (bonus to will defense) the day before the original content even comes out? That's pretty brazen. The monster manual entry on warforged was officially outdated before it even hit the shelves. I'm glad to see racial feats for them, as, frankly, that's the biggest edge PhB races have on MM races, as near as I can see, (though I'm less thrilled that the warforged now has more such feats than any other race), and I can forgive the fact that they (and they alone) have racial paragon paths, mostly because I trust that as time goes on more races will gain that honor. It's for those reasons (especially the paragon paths) that, at least for now, the warforged has a definitive edge on every other race. I don't really see why they needed to power up the racial power, but that's neither here nor there, I guess. It would have been nice, if they wanted the racial power to do that, if they had given warforged a feat which upgraded their power from MM to their new standard. That way the MM wouldn't come off quite so...impotent. But, really, my big issue is with the attachments. They're no cost to the player, and they confer a variety of mechanical bonuses (heavy shield treated like light shield, wield a two-handed weapon in one hand (at a -2 penalty, which is still an option PhB races don't get), weapons can't be taken and you have a preternatural awareness of all your stuff, etc, etc, ad nauseum). It is free stuff for the warforged character. I like the idea and it was a good article, but this is precisely the sort of munchkin-bait I don't really need: a day before the core rules are out, and Dragon has already made one race (and not even a PhB race) more powerful than any other race. People will point out that a warforged may not make as good of a warlock, say, as a tiefling (for example) might, and that's true: a warforged at his weakest will lose to a tiefling at his best. The warforged isn't that overpowered (thank Bahamut. It's only been a week), but that doesn't mean the warforged doesn't come off better in the end, if only because he has more options.
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