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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 6:54PM
#511
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I agree on that. I too will have to see it to believe it. And to see it, it had better darn well better be free when they want to "officially" preview it or I will never see it, as I'm not paying what they're asking for what we're currently getting.
Still, the quote Wolfstar has provided does remind me that they're promising a major boost in May. I have renewed hope that it may/might/could improve at that time.
Perhaps they've (at some point) decided just to cut their losses and put all efforts into an "actual" launch of the mags in may/june. (How I wish they shared that expectation with us in a meaningful way.)
Two things about that, though: 1. Why couldn't they have done that last August/September/October? Heck, they had from the annoucement in April 2007 (one year ago) to get this show started.
2. While I agree with Wolfstar that it is more important that they honor major commitments than minor ones, I have to point out that they have been very consistent in failing to honor a large number of minor commitments. This shows a concerning pattern of behavior. One, two, or even three times might be excusable. I personally can point to more than 10 instances (easily) in which they have failed to meet deadlines, deliver content they promised, or act generally as they said they would. In fact, at this point I'd have to say that their pattern has been one more of "unreliability and a lack of responsiveness" than the opposite.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2008 - 12:12PM
#512
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
- Dragon Slayer
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I'll believe that when I see it. Ever since WotC killed the magazines they've been making promises. They need to start delievering.
Besides 180 pages is a small book, I just find that number hard to believe. I found my DDXP notes on my laptop, regarding "Editorial content" I have the following notes from Scott Rouse's part of the meeting:
- Editorial Content
- Magazines
- All rules information added to the Rules Database
- Content is going to start ramping up
- 160 pages of content every month
Now, obviously the 3rd point is. . . well. . . we've hashed that to death. But it would seem the number of pages they're trying to commit to is 160 (where did I get 180 or 130 - damn my brain!)
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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5 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2008 - 2:03PM
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160 pages per month, that appears to break down to 80 (or less) pages per mag. The or less depends on if the 160 includes other content pages that will not be in the mags.
Not sure how many pages of content has actually been released so far and of course page count depends on how one defines a page.
Plans are always subject to change.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2008 - 5:59PM
#514
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Just for comparison's sake, what were the Paizo mags? More or less than 80 pages each?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2008 - 6:06PM
#515
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Dragon was around 120 pages, including advertisements.
I think Dungeon was about the same or a tiny bit smaller.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2008 - 6:37PM
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The final supersized issue of Dragon (#359) had 130 pages including advertisments. The previous issue of Dragon had 98 pages including advertisments ( I think it was maybe 70-ish pages of content including First Watch).
Yeah, if they get 80 pages for each of the magazines with no ads per month for a low price (I think they said that buying one magazine would cost $3) I believe that I would be incredibly happy with buying them each month.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 10, 2008 - 3:59AM
#517
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- Dragon Slayer
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Dragon was around 120 pages, including advertisements.
I think Dungeon was about the same or a tiny bit smaller. I'm going with the assumption that "pages" is how many sheets of paper will be needed if/when you run them off your printer. (As opposed to 160 web pages per month). ^_^
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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5 years ago ::
Apr 10, 2008 - 10:39AM
#518
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Ask and you shall receive: WolfStar, forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but when was it decided that D&D4 would be released as one block of three books in June rather than one book every month from May to July? Are we certain that happened before November 15, 2007? This quote may be referencing an older release date for D&D4/DDI.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 10, 2008 - 10:50AM
#519
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- Senior Volunteer Community Lead
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WolfStar, forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but when was it decided that D&D4 would be released as one block of three books in June rather than one book every month from May to July? Are we certain that happened before November 15, 2007? This quote may be referencing an older release date for D&D4/DDI. While I can't find the official news release, here's a quote of it from 10/19 in the 4E Rules forum: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php? … ostcount=1
And no forgivness needed for someone playing Devil's Advocate. . . aside from the fact that you're sitting in my seat.
Wolf Star76 Community Advocate (SVCL) for D&D Organized Play, Avalon Hill, and the DCI/WPN LFR Community Manager DDi Guide  Created by MyFitnessPal - Free Calorie Counter
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5 years ago ::
Apr 10, 2008 - 11:07AM
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While I can't find the official news release, here's a quote of it from 10/19 in the 4E Rules forum: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php? … ostcount=1
And no forgivness needed for someone playing Devil's Advocate. . . aside from the fact that you're sitting in my seat.  Just making sure. I hope Wizards is still planning to hit that May date and they've got a more cohesive, intelligible system to roll out for it. I am looking forward to really seeing what they have to offer.
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