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5 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2008 - 11:59AM
#501
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Well, some of us would like to use DDI, but aren't willing to be ripped off. There are viewpoints in this argument other than "anti-DDI" and "pro-DDI," and if you can't understand that, participation is going to be very frustrating for you.
I understand this, and am willing to be "ripped off", for the record. 15 bucks a month seems a little high, 10 bucks a month seems a little low, to me, for the value of the character creation tools and DM's tools alone.
Yours,
Dave the Brave
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5 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2008 - 12:11PM
#502
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The big deal is that we are going to be overcharged for a service that does not deliver.
That remains to be seen.
The online play component and the character and dungeon creators are not content. They are tools, and for that matter they are tools you can get cheaper elsewhere on the Internet, minus the D&D brand.
Some online subscriptions are for content, some are for services. DDI offers both. That doesn't make the tools not worth charging for.
They will not even be populated with options unless you purchase those options separately (I acknowledge that this is up for debate, but I personally take Wizards' silence on the topic of virtual miniature booster packs to be a clear mea culpa).
No longer true. The original plan was to need to unlock bits and pieces, but they announced at DDXP that that plan was being scrapped.
Instead all DDI subscribers will have full access to the entire Rules Database - and the Rules Database will have all the mechanics included. This in turn will port over to the character creator, be shareable in the Game Table, etc.
Not sure where you're going with the virtual minis. There's been quite a bit said. Packs will be non-random. The minis of all players connected to a table wil be pooled together for the GM's use. Minis aren't required as you'll be able to make your own 2D tiles.
Dunno if any of that addresses your concern, but those seem to be the main concerns I keep seeing. 
By all appearances, the two magazines are going to be inconsistent and badly written.
At DDXP they said the magazines will include about 180 pages of content per month (or. . . was it 130? My memory fails me. . . I think it was in the R&D meeting, and should be in one of the YouTube videos from that presentation).
Furthermore, I have no faith that there will be "more that you do not even know about," at least not without an additional charge. If you are willing to pay $15 for DDI, then more power to you. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2008 - 12:27PM
#503
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I understand this, and am willing to be "ripped off", for the record. 15 bucks a month seems a little high, 10 bucks a month seems a little low, to me, for the value of the character creation tools and DM's tools alone.
I would be willing to pay $10. As I said, the only thing I find shocking about the $10 price point is that it is so much lower than the $15 price point, and I wonder what that means.
No longer true.
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Dunno if any of that addresses your concern, but those seem to be the main concerns I keep seeing.
This is all news to me -- thanks for setting me straight. This news could use to be spread around a little bit, as there is still quite a bit of debate on the subject on these boards, it seems.
At DDXP they said the magazines will include about 180 pages of content per month (or. . . was it 130? My memory fails me. . . I think it was in the R&D meeting, and should be in one of the YouTube videos from that presentation).
130 to 180 pages? I had never heard that before, either. That is a LOT of material. So much so that the number alone is enough to inspire incredulity. At any rate, Wizards has been saying a lot of things about Dungeon and Dragon. Their actions speak a lot louder than their words, though, and their actions have been weak.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 1:23PM
#504
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At DDXP they said the magazines will include about 180 pages of content per month (or. . . was it 130? My memory fails me. . . I think it was in the R&D meeting, and should be in one of the YouTube videos from that presentation).
I'll believe that when I see it. Ever since WotC killed the magazines they've been making promises. They need to start delievering.
Besides 180 pages is a small book, I just find that number hard to believe.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 1:50PM
#505
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I'll believe that when I see it. Ever since WotC killed the magazines they've been making promises. They need to start delievering.
Besides 180 pages is a small book, I just find that number hard to believe.
That was for the two combined, I'm sure, and since that's the plan for when people are PAYING, they'll be held to those words with subscription money. (I also need to remember to dig out the laptop I took with me to DDXP and snag my notes to refresh my memory on what the count was. . . just so I'm not spreading misinformation).
Could it be "more rope to hang themselves?" Sure.
However I found a quote earlier today (I'll dig it up if you like) that indicates they're preparing to launch the mags in May.
So, hopefully, in just a few weeks we'll get a MUCH more representative sample of what's to come.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 1:58PM
#506
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If you can find the quote that would be great. I'll look around and post it if I see it. I lost all my faith in WotC when they killed the magazines. It would be nice to get some of that back.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 2:02PM
#507
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Ask and you shall receive:
As I said in the #151 editorial, not only is this a free preview period, of sorts (I mean, how preview can it be when it's 3.5 content and we're headed toward the 4th Edition release?), but it's a transition period. We're trying to get our launch in May ironed out, while getting everyone ready for the 4th Edition release.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 2:14PM
#508
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Ask and you shall receive:
One of these days I might figure out how you link a quote like that. IAE I included a few others things said.
In the coming weeks, we'll have the Dragon #360 pdf compilation (it should be in to me from my typesetter very, very soon). The #151 pdf will follow shortly after. We'll also have the first #152 adventure, "Last Breaths of Ashenport," followed by an Anauroch short adventure by Greg Vaughan and an adventure called "Moagim's Clone," for high-level play by a fellow by the name of Ryan Smalley.
For #361, we have an article by Robert Schwalb coming out shortly, which details a pair of nasty villains who serve a new elder evil (which features in a massively nasty adventure in December). We'll also have a follow-up piece to the Grand History of the Realms, which talks in detail about the history of the Moonshaes, a sequel to "Infernal Aristocracy" from October, the Ecology of the Fire Archon, an article with rules for playing an epic binder, and more stuff.
I'm also hoping to get some old-skool comics up soon. I've got Stan! working up some sketches for me, and I've also talked to a couple of other former Dragon and Dungeon cartoonists about doing some work.
I know the content is trickling out a little slow right now. It will pick up in the next week or so. Oh, and more Design & Development articles (the bulette, more on magic items in 4th, quests, dwarves, and lots more).
It was of course posted 11/15/07 and in some ways might be considered a promise.
Plans are always subject to change.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 2:17PM
#509
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One of these days I might figure out how you link a quote like that. IAE I included a few others things said.
I "cheat" and when I find the original post I'm looking for I hit the "Quote" button there and just copy/past the code into my replies.
It was of course posted 11/15/07 and in some ways might be considered a promise.
Yeah, it has a lot of other stuff that didn't pan out, but I'd argue (and like to believe) that there's a difference between making a major goal (like the TRUE launch of the mags) and minor goals (like articles to be delivered in the pre-launch window).
Now, I'm not saying things will be instantly better on May 1st, but I'd like to believe that in early May we'll be seeing "the real deal".
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5 years ago ::
Apr 08, 2008 - 2:26PM
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Yeah, it has a lot of other stuff that didn't pan out, but I'd argue (and like to believe) that there's a difference between making a major goal (like the TRUE launch of the mags) and minor goals (like articles to be delivered in the pre-launch window).
Now, I'm not saying things will be instantly better on May 1st, but I'd like to believe that in early May we'll be seeing "the real deal".
I'll have to see it before i believe it. Ever since WotC killed Dragon they've been making promises and dropping the ball. Hell, they couldn't even come up with decent reasons for cancelling the magazines. Now their promises just ring hollow.
Thanks for the quote BTW.
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