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5 years ago  ::  Jan 16, 2008 - 1:00PM #481
zombiestorm
Date Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 7
Eberg I have to agree with you if this is the rate of articles we are to expect from the e-magazines then the value for money (both real or perceived) has dropped drastically.

I have moved from the view that I was going to subscribe to the magazines to having the view that it is not worth the hassle.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 17, 2008 - 8:56AM #482
TheOinodaemon
Date Joined: Jan 5, 2007
Posts: 132

dicemauler wrote:

Nothing can take the place of playing the game around a table with your friends or flipping through the pages of a printed magazine article, and of course both of those activities will always be possible.

so basically they're saying that nothing can take the place of flipping through a magazine article? just not a dragon magazine article...


Pretty much. Dragon has an excellent successor though. Seriously, check out Kobold Quarterly.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 29, 2008 - 2:28PM #483
Bog97th
Date Joined: Nov 1, 2004
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zombiestorm wrote:

Eberg I have to agree with you if this is the rate of articles we are to expect from the e-magazines then the value for money (both real or perceived) has dropped drastically.

I have moved from the view that I was going to subscribe to the magazines to having the view that it is not worth the hassle.


I have to agree...... It's a sad thing but I feel that Dragon and Dungeon have been put on the back burner and subscriptions will be very low for a PDF product that is very late coming to order.... By now #363 should be well on it's way and the full PDFs for 361 and 362 should be up for downloads.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 30, 2008 - 5:56PM #484
pifil
Date Joined: Sep 25, 2007
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Bog97th wrote:

I have to agree...... It's a sad thing but I feel that Dragon and Dungeon have been put on the back burner and subscriptions will be very low for a PDF product that is very late coming to order.... By now #363 should be well on it's way and the full PDFs for 361 and 362 should be up for downloads.


As things currently stand, I cannot see myself getting a subscription;the quantity and quality of content just isn't there even allowing for the bi-monthly schedule. I'm also confused about the blurring of what Dragon and Dungeon cover. Let me explain, the recent article "The Walls of Taer Valaestas" starts with "When the PCs acquire the parchment, read the following:" this sort of article seems more suited to Dungeon; after all it's apparently addressing a DM. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it does seem a bit Dungeon-y. Dungeon 153 has had only one article and no columns during January so it's not like it's too packed for this. Similarly, although I like the snippets of 4th ed information I can't help but feel that this sort of information isn't really "Dragon" and would be on the site anyway, regardless of whether or not Dragon was still in print. After all, they'd be fools not to promote and try to drum up interest in their new product after all. We've also seen previews of products on the site before including web supplements. Not nearly as many previews, granted, but then again they were supplements and not a whole new system.

I also think basing their pricing strategies on MMO subscriptions isn't going to work out too well for them. I not sure they realise the difference in the value you get with a MMO and what we're seeing. If they plan on charging me MMO prices they should know that I expect MMO levels of commitment in return not just a drip feed of articles and some tool rental (I can buy similar tools for 3.5 outright, after all).

I'm still interested in what they can do, I'd love for them to turn it around so I'm thinking "is that all they're charging?" rather than "how much? for that?" However, with each fruitless visit to the site it's gonna take more and more to "wow" me.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 30, 2008 - 7:46PM #485
Phoenix8008
Date Joined: Jul 25, 2004
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At the beginning of November, we'll be releasing a pdf version of Dragon #360 and Dungeon #151. Future issues will be collected into a single issue every two months until the release of 4th Edition. So you'll see a collected issue at the beginning of January, 2008 (Dragon #361 and Dungeon #152), the beginning of March (Dragon #362 and Dungeon #153), and the beginning of May (Dragon #363 and Dungeon #154).


Personally, I've only seen one collected issue so far. However, I don't check here super often anymore (Gee, I wonder why that might be? )so I may have missed it if there's been more. But the above quoted statement shows that they are clearly very behind. I can understand that they may be busy pouring all their efforts into getting 4E up and running, but if they expect there to be any support for their digital initiative here then they are gonna have to prove to us that they want us here.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 31, 2008 - 4:27AM #486
pifil
Date Joined: Sep 25, 2007
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Phoenix8008 wrote:

Personally, I've only seen one collected issue so far. However, I don't check here super often anymore (Gee, I wonder why that might be? )so I may have missed it if there's been more. But the above quoted statement shows that they are clearly very behind. I can understand that they may be busy pouring all their efforts into getting 4E up and running, but if they expect there to be any support for their digital initiative here then they are gonna have to prove to us that they want us here.


If you want evidence of them being behind you have only to look at the "Playtest Reports" section of the columns page at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drmst/columns

"Our staff is hard at work playtesting 4th Edition, and each week, we’ll give you a look inside one of our very own D&D games. These articles include plenty of homebrewed material, but we’ll be sure to point out when they’re stretching their creative muscles."

The last article was added on October 26th which, I believe, was more than a week ago. At this stage it's just embarrassing; every time I see that section it irks me a little, hell right now I'd settle for them just rewording that section (replacing "each week" with "periodically", "when the moons align and the dark calls to our blood" or, if you like accuracy, "when hell freezes over" might be more appropriate ).

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2008 - 11:35AM #487
The_Grand_Artificer
Date Joined: May 21, 2007
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pifil wrote:

If you want evidence of them being behind you have only to look at the "Playtest Reports" section of the columns page at http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drmst/columns

"Our staff is hard at work playtesting 4th Edition, and each week, we’ll give you a look inside one of our very own D&D games. These articles include plenty of homebrewed material, but we’ll be sure to point out when they’re stretching their creative muscles."

The last article was added on October 26th which, I believe, was more than a week ago. At this stage it's just embarrassing; every time I see that section it irks me a little, hell right now I'd settle for them just rewording that section (replacing "each week" with "periodically", "when the moons align and the dark calls to our blood" or, if you like accuracy, "when hell freezes over" might be more appropriate ).


Looks more like six months ago pretty soon.  Nice of WotC to keep everyone in the loop.

Up with the Dragon, down with the 'Net!

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 05, 2008 - 11:50AM #488
doccowie
Date Joined: Aug 21, 2007
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You know, I'm getting more and more excited about 4th edition, and even angrier that Dragon and Dungeon won't be around.
To be honest, I'll take Pathfinder instead of Dungeon, but Dragon....

PDFs are no substitute. I took out a subscription to Digital Hero, paid my money, haven't even bothered. Whereas I still read my print Dragons and Dungeons all the time - I've got 2, 3 copies of many issues so I can even read them in the bath.

Why the heck did we end up like this? They could have done all the Insider stuff without trashing Dragon. They could even have taken it back off Paizo despite the excellent work they did. The Races and Classes, Worlds and Monsters - would have rocked in Dragon. As it is, I read it in the shop because I was no way giving them any of my cash.

If I was reading all about 4th ed in Dragon, I'd be a happy, happy man. As it is, mnyeah, I'm still looking forward to it.
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5 years ago  ::  Mar 05, 2008 - 8:04PM #489
dicemauler
Date Joined: Dec 28, 2006
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doccowie wrote:

Why the heck did we end up like this? They could have done all the Insider stuff without trashing Dragon. They could even have taken it back off Paizo despite the excellent work they did. The Races and Classes, Worlds and Monsters - would have rocked in Dragon. As it is, I read it in the shop because I was no way giving them any of my cash.


We ended up like this because "the internet is where people go for information these days."

That has to be my favorite quote on the WotC boards so far.

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5 years ago  ::  Mar 05, 2008 - 9:41PM #490
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Any chance of D20 modern content?
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